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BACA, BAKKAH & MECCA, MAKKAH

Few subjects demonstrate the Islamization of Wikipedia more aptly than the struggle over the content of this one. There are likely hundreds of articles in which Muhammad's followers splice in Islamic "tradition", that poses as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all penned in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record from before the 5th century AD.

The name "Makka", is mentioned in Quran surah 48:24, and again in 33:50 (but in parantheses), and it is sometimes somehow suggested to be one in the same with the name "Bakka", that is found in Surah 3:96. Even if Mohammed had used two names for Mecca, Islam's holiest city - it's most important geographical location allegedly since Adam - would then only be mentioned three times in the Quran. Compare this with the name Jerusalem, which is mentioned 814 times in 767 verses, in the King James Bible.

Even though there is not a shred of historical or archaeological record that suggests that Mecca ever existed prior to the 4th century AD, some Muslims suggest that there is at least a scriptural record of Mecca mentioned in the Old Testament as "Baca", by removing the following verse from context and trying to suggest a similarity between the 3,000 year old Hebrew name "Baca" and the 1400 year old Quraish Arabic name "Bakka", from Muhammad's Quran.

Psalms 84:6 [Who] passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.

Then the excitement builds as the term "well" is mentioned in the same verse, as if the well of Zamzam was only well on earth, at the time.

This even though Islamic history records that the well of Zamzam was dug by Mohammed's grandfather Abdel Mutaleb in the 6th century, when it was dedicated to the most venerated priest and priestess of the Arabian jinn religion Asaf and Naelah. Please see the Hajj and Umrah page for more on that subject.

But blessedly we can set all the speculation aside once we discover that the most obvious difficulty with these claims is the very next verse:

84:7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] in Zion appeareth before God.

Zion is mentioned 153 times in the Bible because it is the name of the easternmost hill of the city of Jerusalem.

Thus we see this passage describing a journey to ZION - to Jerusalem - to the Holy Land. Baca simply being a stop along the way.

Since the well of Zamzam lies 1200 kilometers away from Jerusalem, across harsh Arabian desert, the whole notion that this verse has anything to do with Mecca is utterly preposterous.

In regard to the valley of Baca, which means balsam trees and weeping, web search - battle jerusalem balsam trees - then try - mulberry balsam trees -

“The Valley of Rephaim lay southwest of Jerusalem and formed part of the boundary between Judah and Benjamin (Joshua 15:8). It may correspond to the ‘Valley of Baca’ (Psalm 84:6), due to the balsam trees that were there (1 Chronicles 14:14-15). These are named, literally, ‘weepers’ because of their drops of milky sap.” (Payne)

All this Islam, Mecca and Mohammed in the Bible nonsense becomes a wasted exercise, once one learns that there is absolutely no historical evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD, or it's Kaaba before the early 5th century when Asa’d Abu Karb built it for Arabian Star Family worship, the black stone of which is still housed in the kaaba to this day.

Let alone the geographical absurdity that Abraham, Hagar or Ishmael ever had anything whatsoever to do with Mecca. As so often is the case, when so many Bible-ignorant Muslims parrot the same nonsense in unison, you will generally find the fingerprints of their famous Greek sophist styled entertainer and deceiving antichrist liar Ahmed Deedat, behind the foolishness.


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