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The Spirit of Truth - Comforter - Mohammed?
« on: January 18, 2009, 03:45:47 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bge80vsa4YE
As hard as it is to imagine, Muslims actually spend time thumbing around the New Testament, searching for some small shreds of support for Mohammedan Islam. This even though their book is the EXACT OPPOSITE, and they must deny ALL of the New Testament prophets and THE WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm

One of the most spurious and blasphemous claims made by Islam's Greek sophist styled entertainers and deceivers like Ahmed Deedat, is that Mohammed was the promised "Spirit of truth", and some even go as far as to suggest that the "Comforter", also mentioned in the Gospel of John were prophecies of Mohammed's coming! One doesn't have to delve into Mohammed's behavior, as accounted in the Muslims own books, to see he could hardly be described as one delivering comfort, when, for example, he had 600-800 Jewish boys and men beheaded before him, then sexually enslaved their wives and children, and stole their property. http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=856.0

Let's explore the passage:

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 [Even] THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom THE WORLD cannot receive, because it SEETH HIM NOT, neither knoweth him: but YE KNOW HIM; for he DWELLETH WITH YOU, and SHALL BE IN YOU.

Are we to believe that the world "seeth him not" perhaps because Mohammed wasn't going to be born for 500 years?
That the apostles "knew" Mohammed?
That Mohammed "dwelleth with" the Apostles 500 years before he was born?
That Mohammed was going to be IN THE APOSTLES?


What is the "Comforter"?

John 14:26 But THE COMFORTER, [which is] THE HOLY GHOST, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Comforter is unequivocally the Holy Ghost. Period. But what we see from the verse is that this is the Spirit of God, or Holy Spirit, when manifest in Jesus name.

[edit add 10-3-12]So any Muslim that tries to lay claim to the Comforter, is committing the only unpardonable sin of "shirk", by invoking a name other than that of the Quraish pagan's deity "Allah". Thread on "shirk" at this link. http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.0 [end add]

It is God's Spirit imparted in those that have faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ for salvation. It's about function. For example Here is God's Spirit manifest in creation

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

If Jesus wasn't to leave the Apostles comfortless, how do Muslims explain being left comfortless for the 500 years it took Mohammed to make the scene?
When Jesus says "I will come to you" then, he actually means Mohammed?

It's preposterous, but it is what happens when "that spirit of antichrist" replaces a love of truth.


Christians, of course, well understand what this Spirit is all about:

1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY GHOST [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

GOD IN US

The Spirit that the world knew not, but Christians have ever since He was sent. The Spirit of God sent in Jesus name. From the Apostles to now.
The Holy Ghost that today's Christians know as did the Apostles.
The Spirit that dwells with us and in us as He did the Apostles.
The Holy Ghost that is IN us.



My heart goes out to Muslims. They want desperately to have some relationship with the Word of God, and would like to love the Word of God, but realize that it is the EXACT OPPOSITE of Islam. Thus they have to turn away from the Word of God.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm

The more they understand, the more they realize that the one that they follow is THE EXACT OPPOSITE of how God revealed Himself through His Word.

Some Muslims even proof text verses out of the New Testament, to suggest that the very people who follow the New Testament are condemned by it, even as they suggest Mohammedans that follow Mohammed's book, which is the exact opposite, supports them.

Even the famous Greek sophist styled entertainer and Muslim deceiver Ahmed Deedat claimed that the First Epistle of John supports Islam. Do you agree?
Here is the same version (KJV) that he pretended to quote from that he claimed supports Islam:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/first_epistle_john.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYcDZM8Hmg0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_lM0d5T5hQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc

Even after seeing what should be an embarrassingly obvious error, many Muslims will continue to paste these preposterous suggestions over and over again, like little robots for satan.

Here's another Deedat classic where he uses his phony bible verse lying about antichrist, and the real corker that Mohammed is the Spirit of truth! He says "What it means I don't understand." which is the only honest thing I have heard him say.
He completely ignores context of verses, and who the audience is that is being spoken to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA4x_ntAyLw

Hitler led millions with lies too.

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Re: The Spirit of Truth - Comforter - Mohammed?
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2010, 03:21:31 PM »
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bge80vsa4YE
As hard as it is to imagine, Muslims actually spend time thumbing around the New Testament, searching for some small shreds of support for Mohammedan Islam. This even though their book is the EXACT OPPOSITE, and they must deny ALL of the New Testament prophets and THE WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm

Dear Peter

ONCE AGAIN THE LIES YOU REPEAT TO YOURSELF, I HAVE SHOWN IN MANY THREADS THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO DENY THE SCRIPTURE ARE THE CHRISTIANS! GOD DIED AND GAVE HIS BLOOD THEREFORE THE LAW NO LONGER APPLIES! IN OTHERE WORDS ALL THE PREVIOUS PROPHETS ARE NULLIFIED BECAUSE A GOD DIED!

WE THUMB THROUGH THE OT AND NT TRYING TO FIND THE REMNANTS OF TRUTH THAT IS LEFT AFTER THE MANY CHANGES MAD BY SCHOLARS OVER THE YEARS THAT ENDS UP CHRISTIANS DENYING ALL THE PREVIOUS SCRIPTURES AND BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD!

PLEASE TAKE NOT IN ADDITION TO MUHAMMAD'S ISLAM WE ALSO BELIEVE IN THE ISLAM OF ABRAHAM! MOSES! DAVID! SOLOMON! YAHYA! AND NABI EESA BORN OF MARY! YOU NEVER TELL THE WHOLE STORY YOU SOMEHOW ALWAYS MANGE TO STOP SHORT OF THE TRUTH. KEEP GOING AND LEAVE YOUR OPINION OUT OF IT!

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One of the most stunning claims Made by Muslims is that Mohammed was the promised "Spirit of truth", and some even go as far as to suggest that the "Comforter" also mentioned in the Gospel of John were prophecies of Mohammed's coming! One doesn't have to delve into Mohammed's behavior, as accounted in the Muslims own books, to see he could hardly be described as one delivering comfort, when, for example, he had 600-800 Jewish boys and men beheaded before him, then sexually enslaved their wives and children, and stole their property. http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=856.0

Muhammad did not claim he told the truth!.
I am glad you mention this vital argument against Christianity as many truths about the bible is exposed in it.
Here follows the confusions caused by the Church in order to cover up the truth.

Definition of Paraclete
Paraclete comes from the Koine Greek word ?????????? (parákl?tos, "one who consoles,
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one who intercedes on our behalf
, a comforter or an advocate".[1] The word for "Paraclete" is passive in form, and etymologically signifies "called to one's side". SO WHAT IS THE GREEK WORD FOR COMFORTER (VERB)? parakletos?

"Paraclete" in Judaism
Philo speaks several times of "paraclete" advocates primarily in the sense of human intercessors.
The word later went from Hellenistic Jewish writing into rabbinical Hebrew writing.

The Christian Response
First, there is absolutely no ancient textual evidence among all of the over 5,600 Greek manuscripts to place the word periclytos (“praised one”) in place of paraclete (“helper”).2
 For a Muslim to argue that the correct reading should be periclytos instead of paraclete, shows his lack of understanding of the actual Greek text and the reliability of the copying of the New Testament.

THE WORD PARACLETE DOES NOT MEAN or signify COMFORTOR! and cannot be the anything other than one who calls aside it is not a helper or interceder

THE HONOR GIVEN TO MUHAMMAD IS THAT JUDGEMENT DAY HE WILL BE AN INTERCESSOR FOR THE MUSLIMS!

I DONT NEED TO THE BIBLE TO TELL ME THAT! I DONT NEED CONFIRMATION BUT I DO SEE HOW THE CHRISTIAN FORFATHERS HAD TO GET RID OF THE ORIGINAL INJEEL OF NABI EESA IN ORDER TO REPLACE IT WITH NEW DOCTRINES THAT IS MORE IN LINE WITH THEIR DESIRES AS MEN!
   
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Re: The Spirit of Truth - Comforter - Mohammed?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2010, 04:45:21 AM »
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Re: The Spirit of Truth - Comforter - Mohammed?
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2010, 05:07:27 AM »
Dear Peter

I will try to do that as far as possible, I see that you want to keep it simple, fair enough.

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Re: The Spirit of Truth - Comforter - Mohammed?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2010, 05:13:17 AM »
Dear Peter

I will try to do that as far as possible, I see that you want to keep it simple, fair enough.

That's all I requested last time too.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1562.msg6614#msg6614

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Re: The Spirit of Truth - Comforter - Mohammed?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2013, 11:37:28 PM »
Dear Peter

I will try to do that as far as possible, I see that you want to keep it simple, fair enough.
Anna, there are no lies in the Bible. Islam has borrowed the concept of the virgin birth from Christianity and the concept of heaven and hell. Islam got the concept monotheism from the Jews and the Christians.

Muslims accuse Christians of associating partners unto God, but we don't believe God has partners; Muslim believe we do. By the way, take a close look at the second part of your shahada if you want to see a slave partner of Allah, I say this with all due respect my sister of humanity
« Last Edit: June 29, 2013, 11:39:42 PM by burninglight »

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Re: The Spirit of Truth - Comforter - Mohammed?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2013, 03:41:12 PM »
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bge80vsa4YE
As hard as it is to imagine, Muslims actually spend time thumbing around the New Testament, searching for some small shreds of support for Mohammedan Islam. This even though their book is the EXACT OPPOSITE, and they must deny ALL of the New Testament prophets and THE WHOLE SUBJECT of the New Testament.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_the_opposite.htm

Dear Peter

ONCE AGAIN THE LIES YOU REPEAT TO YOURSELF, I HAVE SHOWN IN MANY THREADS THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO DENY THE SCRIPTURE ARE THE CHRISTIANS! GOD DIED AND GAVE HIS BLOOD THEREFORE THE LAW NO LONGER APPLIES! IN OTHERE WORDS ALL THE PREVIOUS PROPHETS ARE NULLIFIED BECAUSE A GOD DIED!

Quite amusing for a follower of Muhammad to have brought up the "law", whose STAND-ALONE 7th century SW Arabian desert dwelling "messenger", switched his followers qibla from Jerusalem to Mecca, and switched their "holy" day from the Sabbath to Friday (around the time of the Hijra)! Muhammad's followers having been deluded into believing that prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's Kaaba and black stone idol in Mecca, has something to do with the law of the God of the prophets and patriarchs of THE Holy Land (located 1200 kilometers away), when they don't even keep the Sabbath!!

WE PLEASE TAKE NOT IN ADDITION TO MUHAMMAD'S ISLAM WE ALSO BELIEVE IN THE ISLAM OF ABRAHAM! MOSES! DAVID! SOLOMON! YAHYA! AND NABI EESA BORN OF MARY! YOU NEVER TELL THE WHOLE STORY YOU SOMEHOW ALWAYS MANGE TO STOP SHORT OF THE TRUTH. KEEP GOING AND LEAVE YOUR OPINION OUT OF IT!

Even more amusing when Abraham broke ALL of his father's idols, while the very opposite, Muhammad broke all BUT ONE of the Quraish pagan's idols (so he could benefit from his profitable profit plan), that Muhammad's followers still prostrate themselves toward five times a day, and even travel to it and march around it as the Arabian pagan's did in moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship.

WE THUMB THROUGH THE OT AND NT TRYING TO FIND THE REMNANTS OF TRUTH THAT IS LEFT AFTER THE MANY CHANGES MAD BY SCHOLARS OVER THE YEARS THAT ENDS UP CHRISTIANS DENYING ALL THE PREVIOUS SCRIPTURES AND BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD!

But of course if Muhammad's followers actually did thumb through the Old and New Testaments, they would become Christians! Just as so many Jews have from recognizing Jesus' crucifixion prophesied throughout the Old Testament (covenant) scriptures, and fulfilled in the New Testament (covenant) scriptures. Like these:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/psalms_22.htm
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/isaiah_53.htm
And many more:
http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html