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Love Your Enemies
« on: January 06, 2010, 05:00:21 AM »
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_matthew.htm#matthew_5

Matthew 5.38  Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:    39  But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.    40  And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have [thy] cloke also.    41  And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.    42  Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.    43  Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.   44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;   45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.    46  For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?    47  And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others]? do not even the publicans so?    48  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_matthew.htm#matthew_5

Thus we can see that imperialistic conquest and murder of innocents is not of God, particularly when perpetrated by a group of murderous thieves, that is/was masquerading as being of God.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Perhaps the most consummate terrorist in the history of mankind.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Sura 9:5  But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);...

Sura 9:123  O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers . . .

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Re: Love Your Enemies
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2010, 06:55:55 AM »
Your enemies will tell you things your friends won't.  :D

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Re: Love Your Enemies
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2010, 06:57:14 AM »
Your enemies will tell you things your friends won't.  :D
Maybe that's one of the reasons it's good to keep your enemies close, but your friends closer!

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Re: Love Your Enemies
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2010, 07:05:26 AM »
Who was it that said, "God please protect me from my friends. I can take care of my enemies."

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Re: Love Your Enemies
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2010, 07:12:30 PM »
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_matthew.htm#matthew_5

Matthew 5.38  Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:    39  But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.    40  And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have [thy] cloke also.    41  And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.    42  Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.    43  Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.   44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;   45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.    46  For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?    47  And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others]? do not even the publicans so?    48  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

This sounds like the first 13 years in Makkah, does it not? All prophets start out with calling to ALLAH in this manner, Non-violent passive resistance, and Jesus knew that the if his followers were to survive they would have to show a manner that was diffrent from the Romans soldiers and the misguided tribes of Jahud that have changed the Torah to suit themselves. This is no diffrent to all the prophets teachings. The Church fathers thereafter waged war against all that opposed them, did they not? They then by force established a new religion, Same thing happened in Islam after the Prophets death, A group broke away and today they are known as Shias.

What you demonstrate Peter is that you and the the Followers of the book are not judging by what is therein but interpreting things according to pagan doctrines and thereby missing the truth altogether. The Bible (BOOK) is not a weapon or a stick to beat everyone with, to subjugate them to a set of beliefs that really fosters very little spirituality and a whole lot of breaking the laws of ALLAH.

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Re: Love Your Enemies
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2010, 08:25:21 PM »
Try it again. Hit the quote button and copy and paste your content after the last [/quote] tag.

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Re: Love Your Enemies
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2010, 02:39:33 AM »
Try it again. Hit the quote button and copy and paste your content after the last
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[/quote]This sounds like the first 13 years in Makkah, does it not? All prophets start out with calling to ALLAH in this manner, Non-violent passive resistance, and Jesus knew that the if his followers were to survive they would have to show a manner that was diffrent from the Romans soldiers and the misguided tribes of Jahud that have changed the Torah to suit themselves. This is no diffrent to all the prophets teachings. The Church fathers thereafter waged war against all that opposed them, did they not? They then by force established a new religion, Same thing happened in Islam after the Prophets death, A group broke away and today they are known as Shias.

What you demonstrate Peter is that you and the the Followers of the book are not judging by what is therein but interpreting things according to pagan doctrines and thereby missing the truth altogether. The Bible (BOOK) is not a weapon or a stick to beat everyone with, to subjugate them to a set of beliefs that really fosters very little spirituality and a whole lot of breaking the laws of ALLAH.

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Re: Love Your Enemies
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2010, 06:39:00 AM »
Try it again. Hit the quote button and copy and paste your content after the last
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This sounds like the first 13 years in Makkah, does it not?

Not at all, but I'll indulge you.

All prophets start out with calling to ALLAH in this manner, Non-violent passive resistance, ......

I can't think of a prophet that turned from peaceful to violent. If anything the order would be the reverse. Just as lessons in the revelation of God to mankind progressed, as mankind changed, over those 1600 years of revelation.

"By Mohammed's day, 1,500 years had passed since any Hebrew prophet was described in the Old Testament as using a sword in the service of God. Neither Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Micah, Amos, Malachi nor any other later Hebrew prophet is described as using the sword or prescribing its use."
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=935.0

Jesus never changed from peaceful.

Whereas Mohammed started somewhat peacefully, but when he barely made 100 converts over the first 13 years, he then went to Medina, picked up the sword, and came back and "converted" the Quraish through threat of murder. What some might suggest was a psychotic break.
Indeed the Islamic calendar doesn't even start until Mohammed became a murdering conqueror and thief. http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=608.0
This is why all of the later suras that suggest violence against non-muslims, abrogate his earlier more peaceful "revelations", like "no compulsion in religion".
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=116.0

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Re: Love Your Enemies
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2010, 07:15:46 AM »
..... and Jesus knew that the if his followers were to survive they would have to show a manner that was diffrent from the Romans soldiers and the misguided tribes of Jahud that have changed the Torah to suit themselves. This is no diffrent to all the prophets teachings. The Church fathers thereafter waged war against all that opposed them, did they not?

The Roman "Church" murdered innocent Muslims, Jews AND CHRISTIANS. But we know that those acts were specifically UNchristian because of the Gospel.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

It was Satan working in those individuals, in his successful effort to blind those such as yourself, from understanding just what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is all about.

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Re: Love Your Enemies
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2010, 07:16:11 AM »
They then by force established a new religion, Same thing happened in Islam after the Prophets death, A group broke away and today they are known as Shias.

Indeed. The Shiites whose innocent men, women, and children, Sunnis target for murder.

What you demonstrate Peter is that you and the the Followers of the book are not judging by what is therein ........

What we can see from this very post of yours, is that it is you, that cannot judge by what is therein.

......... but interpreting things according to pagan doctrines and thereby missing the truth altogether. The Bible (BOOK) is not a weapon ......

How does the bible describe itself, in relation to God's enemies, and the enemies of God's people?

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged  sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

That's why I implored you to read it my friend.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

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Re: Love Your Enemies
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2010, 07:35:26 AM »
...... or a stick to beat everyone with, to subjugate them to a set of beliefs that really fosters very little spirituality and a whole lot of breaking the laws of ALLAH.

Mark 12:29  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.  31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

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Re: Love Your Enemies
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2010, 02:57:51 PM »
Mujaheed Ephesians presumptions and attendant blasphemy moved to chat extensions.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1987.0