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"No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« on: November 17, 2011, 08:56:34 AM »
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"No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"

Those of us that bring the Gospel to Muhammad's followers are well familiar with this famous quote and the empty lip service paid to Jesus contained therein, parroted over and over and over again, by the adoring bible-ignorant minions of the famous Greek sophist styled entertainer Ahmed Deedat. Muhammad's followers repeat this preposterous claim even as they profess the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, as an article of their faith in Muhammad. REJECTING and BLASPHEMING the very blood of the Lamb of God that would save them, along with the Holy Scriptures, through which the truth is revealed.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

This is often accompanied by a declaration that they believe that Jesus was a "great prophet" even as they must believe Jesus to be a false prophet.

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.

Over the last nearly 2,000 years there has never been a single Christian that did not believe in the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah who saves all from sin who have faith in His shed blood, because that's the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
Over the last nearly 1400 years there has never been a follower of Muhammad, that did not DENY that Jesus was crucified, and REJECT the blood that would save them.

In other words:
"No Muslim is a Muslim unless he denies the crucifixion of Jesus Christ."
"No Muslim is a Muslim unless he denies the blood of the Lamb of God."


The Gospel instructs the followers of the Messiah, how to "believe in Jesus".
The Quran instructs the followers of Muhammad how to DISbelieve in, and DENY Jesus, by REJECTING the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Nor has there ever been a follower of Muhammad that didn't DISbelieve and DENY that Jesus is the Son of God.

1John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Islam is the only anti-another-religion, religion. Muhammad even directing his alter-ego "Allah's" curse on God's people.

1 John 2:22 ... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father...

Jews and Christians believe we are God's children and He our Father.
Muhammad, and thus his followers, reject God as their Father.

So "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he denies that Jesus is the Son of God."

There is no shortage of secular historians, agnostics and atheists that "believe in Jesus" to the extent that the historical record makes it too difficult to deny that Jesus existed. Even Muhammad's followers favorite agnostic Bart Ehrman accepts the compelling historical evidence of Jesus existence and crucifixion.

The preposterous claim of Muhammad's followers that they "believe in Jesus" is akin to a Christian saying:

"I believe in Muhammad, and I believe I am washed by the shed blood of the Messiah, the Lamb of God who was crucified, died and was resurrected, to save all who have faith in His shed blood from dying to our sins."

Is that something that someone who "believes in Muhammad" could say?
Muhammad's followers would more likely scornfully laugh at the very suggestion of it.
In essence a follower of Muhammad is saying:

"I believe in Jesus, while I reject the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind that He is revealed through, deny the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, reject the blood the Lamb of God shed for me, as I prostrate myself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, engage in occult Sabian prayer, Ramadan, and ablution rituals, as well as thinly repackaged Quraish moon, sun and star worship rituals around the Kaaba and run between Al-Safa and Al-Marwah, as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did before Muhammad, even though there is no record of Mecca ever having existed before the 4th century AD."

When Islamic so-called "tradition" is pointed out to Muhammad's followers as having been CREATED in its entirety during the 7th-10th centuries AD by a bunch of semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers, yet it masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, the whole fiction having been penned without reference to any actual historical record from before the 6th century AD, what is their answer?

The same answer as when you ask them why they prostrate themselves to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol five times a day, or ask them to present some historical or archaeological evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before pagan immigrants from Yemen settled the area in the 4th century AD, and built their Kaaba in the early 5th century for Arabian Star Family worship.

The only factual answer there is for following Muhammad, and engaging in his adopted and adapted pagan Arabian rituals, is purely because the false prophet Muhammad told his followers to follow him. At least in the 7th century his followers were attracted by sex slaves and their share of the "booty", that is, property stolen from others.

So rather than presenting historical evidence of Mecca - because they can't since none exists - they instead accelerate their blasphemy against the one true God YHWH and His 1600 year record to mankind as revealed through all of His prophets and witnesses, as if that will somehow magically create a historical and archaeological record of Mecca prior to the 4th century AD. Blaspheming Yahweh even as they desperately wish in vain, that Muhammad's heavily abrogated 23 year 7th century record has a relationship, with the very same Scriptures of the Jews and Christians that they blaspheme.

Christians who keep their videos open to comments expend massive amounts of time, through repetition ad nauseum absent replies to responses, obscured through a rapidly revolving, 500 character snipe and run, YouTube format. YouTube provides a prime opportunity for obfuscation, mass confusion, running away from one's own words, and the censorship that Islam has required ever since Muhammad discouraged others from asking him questions and murdered poets that embarrassed him. The same reason 52 antichrist nations restrict the Gospel. The powers of darkness cannot stand the light of truth.

http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51

Rather than addressing the subject of the videos, Muhammad's followers will instead generally engage in a cacophony of blasphemy against the one true God of the Scriptures, on matters that aren't even related to the subject of the video.

The first link under each of my videos is an invitation to join me for discussion in this Islam-Christian Forum, in a venue with virtually unlimited comment length, where we can quote each other, post live links, and engage in a thoughtful discussion over time, with a well organized and easily searchable record of our exchange, that even includes a unique URL to each and every post. Do we have to wonder why Muhammad's followers are so afraid of a venue where the only rule is that folks have to engage in an exchange? That is, actually respond to replies to responses.

May the good Lord work in the hearts of Muhammad's followers and lead them to the truth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 10:25:17 AM »
Muslims believe in Jesus the same way that most agnostics or atheists do. They admit to the existence of the man Jesus Christ but deny any Spiritual connection to Eternal life or to a Creator God. Muslims must admit to a belief in Jesus because Muhammad referred to both he and his followers and they believe everything that came out of the mouth of the false prophet Muhammad. But believing in Jesus' existence has no spiritual value without accepting the offer that attended his visitation to earth: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me"  (John 10:27) and  "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:'  (John 11:25).

Everyone that saw Jesus when he was on the earth believed in him as a living entity. But that in itself brought no eternal value. In fact it brought eventual condemnation to those who heard his word and did not respond properly. "For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them". (2Pe 2:21)

Believing in Jesus' existence without following Him in The Way is not beneficial but detrimental to ones potential for eternal life .
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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2011, 07:14:51 AM »
Indeed Mighty. The greatest tragedy in the history of mankind. 1.5 billion people deceived by Satan through his prophet, into falsely believing that they "believe in Jesus", even as they reject and blaspheme Him while denying the blood of the Lamb of God that would save them.

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2012, 02:28:25 AM »
No one is a Muslim, Unless he believes in All of his Messengers ( Prophet Abraham,Moses,Esa,Muhammadh (peace be upon them all) ** Truth ...They all followed Islam, Which is Submission to Almighty's Will....The Religion Of Prophet Abraham(Peace Be Upon Him)
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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2012, 03:51:04 AM »
No one is a Muslim, Unless he believes in All of his Messengers ( Prophet Abraham,Moses,Esa,Muhammadh (peace be upon them all) ** Truth ...They all followed Islam, Which is Submission to Almighty's Will....The Religion Of Prophet Abraham(Peace Be Upon Him)

The Jesus muslims believe in is not the Jesus of history. It is the Jesus that Muhammad contrived from his experience with heretical Christian sects that helped form his own view of Jesus. Examples of this are verses in the Qur'an that parallel later gnostic texts. We know from this that Muhammad had no knowledge of the real Jesus but instead what he encountered in his dealings with heretical Christian sects.
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2012, 04:17:26 AM »
No one is a Muslim, Unless he believes in All of his Messengers ( Prophet Abraham,Moses,Esa,Muhammadh (peace be upon them all) ** Truth ...They all followed Islam, Which is Submission to Almighty's Will....The Religion Of Prophet Abraham(Peace Be Upon Him)

The Jesus muslims believe in is not the Jesus of history. It is the Jesus that Muhammad contrived from his experience with heretical Christian sects that helped form his own view of Jesus. Examples of this are verses in the Qur'an that parallel later gnostic texts. We know from this that Muhammad had no knowledge of the real Jesus but instead what he encountered in his dealings with heretical Christian sects.

No one is a Muslim, Unless he believes in All of his Messengers ( Prophet Abraham,Moses,Esa,Muhammadh (peace be upon them all) ** Truth ...They all followed Islam, Which is Submission to Almighty's Will....The Religion Of Prophet Abraham(Peace Be Upon Him)

The Jesus muslims believe in is not the Jesus of history. It is the Jesus that Muhammad contrived from his experience with heretical Christian sects that helped form his own view of Jesus. Examples of this are verses in the Qur'an that parallel later gnostic texts. We know from this that Muhammad had no knowledge of the real Jesus but instead what he encountered in his dealings with heretical Christian sects.


Prophet Muhammadh(Peace Be Upon Him) Had clear Knowledge Of The Proper Esa(Peace Be upon Him).And also he had clear knowledge of the False Belief's...The Truth was revealed in Holy Quran very Clearly...what and how was Prophet Esa...and the Truth About Him...refuting Ignoranec and Conjectures followed and still followed by Christians...

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2012, 07:21:14 AM »

Prophet Muhammadh(Peace Be Upon Him) Had clear Knowledge Of The Proper Esa(Peace Be upon Him).And also he had clear knowledge of the False Belief's...The Truth was revealed in Holy Quran very Clearly...what and how was Prophet Esa...and the Truth About Him...refuting Ignoranec and Conjectures followed and still followed by Christians...

You say that but where is your evidence that Muhammad had such clear knowledge? I can show that Muhammad borrowed revelations from gnostic texts that were carried on by the heretical Christians he had contact with. You can only base your claim about Muhammad's trustworthiness on faith. However, the Qur'an and hadith even shows that Muhammad had a hard time sticking to his theology and at times couldn't distinguish between God's revelation and that of satan. Why should we take his word for it on this issue especially considering the vast body of evidence pointing in the other direction?
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2012, 07:26:04 AM »
No one is a Muslim, Unless he believes in All of his Messengers ( Prophet Abraham,Moses,Esa,Muhammadh (peace be upon them all) ** Truth ...They all followed Islam, Which is Submission to Almighty's Will....The Religion Of Prophet Abraham(Peace Be Upon Him)

The Jesus muslims believe in is not the Jesus of history. It is the Jesus that Muhammad contrived from his experience with heretical Christian sects that helped form his own view of Jesus. Examples of this are verses in the Qur'an that parallel later gnostic texts. We know from this that Muhammad had no knowledge of the real Jesus but instead what he encountered in his dealings with heretical Christian sects.

No one is a Muslim, Unless he believes in All of his Messengers ( Prophet Abraham,Moses,Esa,Muhammadh (peace be upon them all) ** Truth ...They all followed Islam, Which is Submission to Almighty's Will....The Religion Of Prophet Abraham(Peace Be Upon Him)

The Jesus muslims believe in is not the Jesus of history. It is the Jesus that Muhammad contrived from his experience with heretical Christian sects that helped form his own view of Jesus. Examples of this are verses in the Qur'an that parallel later gnostic texts. We know from this that Muhammad had no knowledge of the real Jesus but instead what he encountered in his dealings with heretical Christian sects.


Prophet Muhammadh(Peace Be Upon Him) Had clear Knowledge Of The Proper Esa(Peace Be upon Him).And also he had clear knowledge of the False Belief's...The Truth was revealed in Holy Quran very Clearly...what and how was Prophet Esa...and the Truth About Him...refuting Ignoranec and Conjectures followed and still followed by Christians...

Ateef, by the 7th century the bible had been translated into every popular language, had been copied tens of thousands of times, and had been read all over the known world for centuries. Christians had been following the Gospel for 600 years when Muhammad said:

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

So are you saying that Muhammad blundered by making that recommendation? Or perhaps that he was simply more ignorant than 21st century Muslims like you?

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2012, 02:13:27 PM »
Prophet Muhammadh(Peace Be Upon Him) Had clear Knowledge Of The Proper Esa(Peace Be upon Him).And also he had clear knowledge of the False Belief's...The Truth was revealed in Holy Quran very Clearly...what and how was Prophet Esa...and the Truth About Him...refuting Ignoranec and Conjectures followed and still followed by Christians...

Sure Ateef. His knowledge was so "clear" that the contradictions in his record require that a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=116.0

He was constantly embarrassed by the Quraish pointing out the outright plagiarism, like Jesus speaking from the cradle found in an Egyptian apocryphal fable, and content from other Arabic and Hebrew fables.
http://www.brotherpete.com/fables_fantasies.htm

Let alone who the real authors were.
http://www.brotherpete.com/quran_inspiration.htm

http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2576.0
Gerd Rüdiger Puin (born 1940) is a German scholar and an authority on Qur'anic historical orthography, the study and scholarly interpretation of ancient manuscripts. He is also a specialist in Arabic paleography. He was a lecturer of Arabic at Saarland University, in Saarbrücken Germany.



Gerd Puin was the head of a restoration project, commissioned by the Yemeni government, which spent a significant amount of time examining the ancient Qur'anic manuscripts discovered in Sana'a, Yemen, in 1972, in order to find criteria for systematically cataloging them. According to writer Toby Lester, his examination revealed "unconventional verse orderings, minor textual variations, and rare styles of orthography and artistic embellishment."[1] The scriptures were written in the early Hijazi Arabic script, matching the pieces of the earliest Qur'ans known to exist. Some of the papyrus on which the text appears shows clear signs of earlier use, being that previous, washed-off writings are also visible on it. In 2008 and 2009 Dr Elisabeth Puin published detailed results of the analysis of Sanaa manuscript DAM (dar al-makhtutat) 01.27-1 proving that the text was still in flux in the time span between the scriptio inferior and the scriptio superior of the palimpsest (Ein Frueher Koranpalimpsest aus San'a', part 1 in Schlaglichter 2008, part 2 in Vom Koran zum Islam 2009, both ed. Markus Gross and Karl-Heinz Ohlig, Verlag Hans Schiler Berlin).

In the 1999 Atlantic Monthly article referenced below, Gerd Puin is quoted as saying that:[1]
My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. Even within the Islamic traditions there is a huge body of contradictory information, including a significant Christian substrate; one can derive a whole Islamic anti-history from them if one wants. The Qur’an claims for itself that it is ‘mubeen,’ or clear, but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn’t make sense. Many Muslims will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Qur’anic text is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Qur’an is not comprehensible, if it can’t even be understood in Arabic, then it’s not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid. Since the Qur’an claims repeatedly to be clear but is not—there is an obvious and serious contradiction. Something else must be going on.

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2012, 03:32:35 AM »
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Ateef, by the 7th century the bible had been translated into every popular language, had been copied tens of thousands of times, and had been read all over the known world for centuries. Christians had been following the Gospel for 600 years when Muhammad said:

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

So are you saying that Muhammad blundered by making that recommendation? Or perhaps that he was simply more ignorant than 21st century Muslims like you?


You Being an Administrator should be a role model...and you spreading nonsense here....Nothing was blundered.....He was not ignorant...Ignorant are people like you let me clear you now....Stop desisit from spreading nonsense good for you....

Here....Just One Verse you post let me Post the whole thing....This is The last time I am Revealing The truth To You...

Quran 5:46

And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.

Quran 5:47
And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.

Quran 5:48
And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ


The Verse Doesnt End There....Quran Is The Criterion Over Injeel...

Quran 5:49

And judge, [O Muhammad], between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations and beware of them, lest they tempt you away from some of what Allah has revealed to you. And if they turn away - then know that Allah only intends to afflict them with some of their [own] sins. And indeed, many among the people are defiantly disobedient.

"Truth can never be told so as to be understood and not be believed."


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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2012, 01:22:04 PM »
The point is that the preceding verse told the Christians and Jews to judge by what came before. If we do that the obvious problem is that the Qur'an doesn't line up with the Gospel or the Old Testament. The Gospels had by the time of Muhammad been translated into many languages and had proliferated by thousands of copies. No change in the meaning of the text had occurred or has occurred since the writers set ink to papyrus. So why then give the command for Christians to judge by what we have if there is obvious conflict with what Muhammad was supposedly revealing?
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2012, 01:28:37 PM »
The point is that the preceding verse told the Christians and Jews to judge by what came before. If we do that the obvious problem is that the Qur'an doesn't line up with the Gospel or the Old Testament. The Gospels had by the time of Muhammad been translated into many languages and had proliferated by thousands of copies. No change in the meaning of the text had occurred or has occurred since the writers set ink to papyrus. So why then give the command for Christians to judge by what we have if there is obvious conflict with what Muhammad was supposedly revealing?

He can't even see that what he is admitting is, that Muhammad did indeed instruct Christians to go by what is revealed in the Gospel - EXCEPT - for the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, as proclaimed by Muhammad 600 years after the scriptures were closed.

To DISbelieve the Gospel, and DENY the blood that would save them, and REJECT the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, as an article of their faith in the false prophet Muhammad. How many religions instruct adherents to reject, deny and disbelieve another religion? Obviously one that is inspired by a spiritual force that IS the exact opposite of that revealed by the God of the bible.

In other words, go by the Gospel, just as long as you throw out its whole subject! It would be downright amusing if it weren't so tragic. 1.5 billion people lost to the spirit of antichrist in Islam alone.

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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2012, 10:20:55 AM »
It is only those who hear (with sincere hearts) that accept faith; and Allah will raise these people dead of heart, then towards Him they will be herded.
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Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah of which ye are (yourselves) witnesses?

Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while ye have knowledge?


Surat Al-'A`rāf (The Heights) - سورة الأعراف


Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.




This Is my Last Reply to You.  As i Know You are Deaf and Blind....


As for those whose fate is disbelief, whether you warn them or do not warn them - it is all one for them; they will not believe. Allah has sealed their hearts and their ears, and on their eyes is a covering; and for them is a terrible punishment.

And when Our verses are recited to him he haughtily turns away as if he did not hear them - as if there is deafness in his ears; so give him the glad tidings of a painful punishment.

Indeed the worst beasts in the sight of Allah are those (people) who are deaf, dumb - who do not have any sense.

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2012, 11:12:25 AM »
I know that you are used to seeing people believe things simply because it is repeated enough times but this repetition is growing tedious.
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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2012, 12:52:26 PM »
It is only those who hear (with sincere hearts) that accept faith; and Allah will raise these people dead of heart, then towards Him they will be herded.
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Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah of which ye are (yourselves) witnesses?

Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while ye have knowledge?


Surat Al-'A`rāf (The Heights) - سورة الأعراف


Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.




This Is my Last Reply to You.  As i Know You are Deaf and Blind....


As for those whose fate is disbelief, whether you warn them or do not warn them - it is all one for them; they will not believe. Allah has sealed their hearts and their ears, and on their eyes is a covering; and for them is a terrible punishment.

And when Our verses are recited to him he haughtily turns away as if he did not hear them - as if there is deafness in his ears; so give him the glad tidings of a painful punishment.

Indeed the worst beasts in the sight of Allah are those (people) who are deaf, dumb - who do not have any sense.


Deja vous. I could have sworn I already saw and answered this post here
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2499.msg12318#msg12318

But I will add a little more. The suggestion that Muhammad was illiterate, as proof that he was prophesied, is pitiful. Not only was there no shortage of illiterate people during old covenant times, but the goofy explanation of the verse is in fact another foolish lie of Ahmed Deedat, as usual, demonstrating an abject misunderstanding of the passage.

The reason for this forum section is so that Muhammad's followers can explore Deedat and other Greek sophist styled entertainers da'wah lies, before they embarrass themselves by parroting their nonsense in the forum.

Isaiah 29 has nothing whatsoever to do with a prophet, nor does it use the term, yet you throw the word around as if you are quoting a verse. See what the father of lies has done to your ability to read, think, and draw your own conclusions? Why don't you read the passage for yourself?
Here's the forum thread on the subject of the hypothetical unlettered person referenced in Isaiah 29.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=329.0

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2012, 05:14:31 AM »
see what the father of lies your satan has done to you....

then point at others....a bloody scoundrel,cheat like you...who does not have knowledge at all...ask yourself....

do you know hw far you are from the truth....and cheating others and making them follow conjectures...

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2012, 07:40:58 AM »
Profanity like in this post and your others expose the serious sin you have in your life. If you were sincerely convicted of the truth of your message you may pity, rebuke, or pray for someone who did not agree with you. The ugliness you have shown today have provided others a perfect testimony of the unregenerate behavior that people can expect from Islam. Outwardly you may show all manner of religious devotion doing ablution, prostration, and repetitive prayer but inside you are filthy with sin. Repent and turn to Jesus before it is too late.
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2012, 12:53:22 AM »
I did Pity...
A person does not agree is fine...A person who blasphemes..what about him....????

Now look at you...Repent and Turn to Jesus you say

Could You not say ...Repent and Turn to Almighty

Why Just Jesus...Only your nation has a warner ???

We are The Nation Of The Seal Of Messengers...The Children of Prophet Abraham...Prophet Ishmael...


Listen Rex..Do not support pete...he is fooling you all... :-[

Using your Love towards Jesus Only as a Bait...

when i said this bad things to you all...you felt bad...and what about me when your Pete Spreads falsehood????

And Insulting indirectly Our Messenger???saying False prophet and all...

and spreading such false things...

Do we call Prophet Esa False...???

We respect all the messenger's

Listen if ye can hear...

Repent and Turn Towards Allah before its too late


O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Three (Trinity)" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs






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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2012, 07:54:44 AM »
I did Pity...
A person does not agree is fine...A person who blasphemes..what about him....????

Now look at you...Repent and Turn to Jesus you say

Could You not say ...Repent and Turn to Almighty

Why Just Jesus...Only your nation has a warner ???

Jesus is the Messiah that was prophesied throughout the Old Testament. The Son of God and the Savior of the world.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Once you come to the knowledge of that, and deny it, you are headed for eternal torment.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Muhammad professed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. That WHOLE SUBJECT IS the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah who saves all from sin who has faith in his shed blood.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

The greatest sin, according to the false prophet Muhammad, is committed if a Muslim confesses that Jesus is the Son of God. Another EXACT OPPOSITE of the hundreds of verses in the Gospel that proclaim the Father and His Son.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=611.0
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=610.0

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

This is also how we can know that THE false prophet Muhammad is deception straight from Satan. Yet confessing that is the only way you can save yourself from eternal torment.

ONE MUST CHOOSE. Eternal life through the sinless Jesus Christ, the Messiah, or joining the mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, terrorist and thief - THE false prophet Muhammad - in eternal torment.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The EXACT OPPOSITE of a warner, Muhammad is THE false prophet of Satan, that used child psychology to drag you straight down into the pit of hell with him, through blasphemy of the Gospel and thinly veneered Quraish pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals.
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2012, 08:32:53 AM »
I did Pity...
A person does not agree is fine...A person who blasphemes..what about him....????

You only believe what he is saying is blasphemous because you believe Muhammad. Just as we believe what you say about Jesus and God is blasphemous, but never once did anyone threaten you or use profanity against you.

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Now look at you...Repent and Turn to Jesus you say

Could You not say ...Repent and Turn to Almighty

Jesus is the only WAY to the Almighty. To turn to Him is to turn to God.

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Why Just Jesus...Only your nation has a warner ???

Jesus is the Savior of everyone. Not just one nation or another. It isn't a matter of jealousy or national pride. He simply is the only way to salvation.

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We are The Nation Of The Seal Of Messengers...The Children of Prophet Abraham...Prophet Ishmael...

And yet all the other prophets were prophets of Israel. It seems odd to me that Muhammad would stand alone in that regard. Muhammad may have taught that he was the seal on the prophets but it doesn't make it true. Given that what he taught doesn't align with any of the Biblical prophets then why would I care to listen to him.

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Listen Rex..Do not support pete...he is fooling you all... :-[

Using your Love towards Jesus Only as a Bait...

I was a follower of Jesus before I ever met Pete. I stood firmly against Muhammad and what he taught before I met Pete too. So no Pete isn't "fooling" me.

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when i said this bad things to you all...you felt bad...and what about me when your Pete Spreads falsehood????

And Insulting indirectly Our Messenger???saying False prophet and all...

and spreading such false things...

Pete said things you disagree with. The truth can hurt sometimes. But he didn't threaten you. You threatened him. He did not use profanity towards you. You did use it towards him. And you say what he is saying is false but haven't bothered to show how. I tell you what. Pick out a single characterization of Muhammad Pete has given and let's see if what he said is false or not. Sound fair?

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Do we call Prophet Esa False...???

Perhaps you are not aware of this but every time you deny Jesus as Savior and God in the flesh you insult Christians. Yet not once have you been threatened or had profanity thrown your way because of it.

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We respect all the messenger's

No, you respect the version of those messengers that Muhammad gave.

Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2012, 09:31:33 AM »
We are The Nation Of The Seal Of Messengers...The Children of Prophet Abraham...Prophet Ishmael...

Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Ishmael's seed are the children of the flesh, as also confirmed by your prostrating to the Quraish pagan's idol 5 times a day. This link on the children of the flesh includes a video version.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2771.0

Look at the protests over the burning the Quran. In their hearts Muhammad's followers know they can't depend on Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" to deliver justice to anyone that desecrates the Quran or draws a cartoon of Muhammad. They have to deliver the justice as their god.
Islam is about Muhammad's followers, subjugating non-Muslims, to Muhammad's followers. Flesh to flesh. All flesh.
The world is full of instances of people mocking  and drawing cartoons of Jesus and burning bibles, but Christians, instead of killing them or wanting to kill them, pity the poor souls that do that and pray for them, because we understand that their burning of the bible or drawing cartoons is between themselves and the ONE true God OF the bible. It is GOD HIMSELF that they will have to answer to.

After Abraham threw Hagar and Ishmael out of his house even God Himself seems not to have recognized Ishmael as a son of Abraham

Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only [son] Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Listen Rex..Do not support pete...he is fooling you all... :-[

Using your Love towards Jesus Only as a Bait...

See how you've been blinded? It is THE false prophet Muhammad, that Satan himself used, to bait you into rejecting the Gospel, so he can drag you down into the pit of hell and suffer eternal torment with Muhammad.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Tormented forever and ever - without rest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lEro81ygXQ

when i said this bad things to you all...you felt bad...and what about me when your Pete Spreads falsehood????

And Insulting indirectly Our Messenger???saying False prophet and all...

ONE MUST CHOOSE between the ONE true God of the bible as He revealed Himself through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, in His 1600 year record, that His people have followed through two covenants over 3500 years. Choose to be saved by the shed blood of the sinless Messiah or reject it.

You choose the STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record of A SINGLE imperialistic, mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, terrorist and thief.

In other words, one must choose between the sinless Messiah or a black-hearted 7th century reprobate. It is not too late for you to repent, but you could die this very day. Then it will be too late.

and spreading such false things...

They aren't my words.
Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"

As repeated at least 5 times of Muhammad and his fellow rapist, mass murdering, cutthroats.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2499.msg12311#msg12311

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Re: "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus"
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2012, 09:48:28 AM »
Do we call Prophet Esa False...???

YES YOU DO!!!!!!!!!!! You are just dishonest with yourself about it. Every time you reject His crucifixion, death and resurrection you label Jesus a false prophet. The following is His own prophecy prior to His crucifixion, death and resurrection.

Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

The following that Jesus made reference to in His own prophecy from the Psalms, was written hundreds of years before Jesus' crucifixion, and before crucifixion was ever even invented:

Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

Confirmed:

Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

We respect all the messenger's

That is a Satanic deception and lie you are parroting. YOU DISrespect, REJECT and BLASPHEME ALL of the prophets and witnesses of Yahweh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2kCxOGGM5w

Listen if ye can hear...

Repent and Turn Towards Allah before its too late


O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Three (Trinity)" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs

PURE BLASPHEMY. Even you are compelled to believe Jesus is the ONLY person ever to be conceived by a virgin by the will of God. To believe Jesus is THE ONLY Messiah. To believe Jesus is the only person to be carried physically to heaven - while Muhammad's corpse still lies rotting in its shallow grave to this day. Thus even you should be able to see that those filthy words come straight from Satan, through his prophet - through THE false prophet Muhammad.

What did God make Muhammad and his followers?

1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.