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Slavery in Islam - Muhammad's and Today's
« on: July 13, 2009, 07:59:21 AM »
[retitled 9-10-12]
"Muslim Slavery Still Exists!!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLJMFIA4WTk

Historical record of slavery in Islamic countries:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJhSejBDTPI
Slavery wasn't "officially" outlawed in Saudi Arabia and Yemen until 1962, UAE 1963, and Oman in 1970, and then in those countries, only because of outside pressure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline
It will always be perfectly legal in Islam, because Mohammed practiced it, and so it is still practiced widely in Islam controlled parts of the world today.

My Slave My Infidel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLJMFIA4WTk



To our Muslim friends, have you psychologically programmed yourself to turn away from in-depth discussion of Mohammed's character, even when that discussion is supported by the Quran and hadith? You can verify the suras below with the Quran from this Islamic source here
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/
And hadith here
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/
Bukhari hadith here
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/

"Allah has hated for you three things: ... 3. And asking too many questions (in disputed religious matters)." (Dr. Khan, Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol. 2, #555) http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/024.sbt.html

Following the God of the Jews and Christians is very much the opposite of that.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

What kind of god sanctions sex slavery?

Sura 33:50-51 "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war ... this only for thee, and not for believers [at large]; we know what we have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hand possess; - in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And God is oft-forgiving, most merciful.

A god that sanctions rape of even still married sex-slaves:

Sura 23.1 The believers must (eventually) win through,-
23.5 Who abstain from sex, 6 Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,

What kind of 7th century god would offer instruction regarding pimping out your sex slaves, captured and raped, as spoils of war?

(Yusuf Ali) Sura 24:33:... But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),

But WHEN they don't want to preserve their chastity then prostitute them out and make some gain!
And even if you force them into prostitution Allah will forgive anyway!
Pretty convenient god for a, murdering, pillaging, plundering, slave taking, imperialistic army!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1onTtrg1gE8

Sadly, the "defense" Muslims often offer, is that the person being forgiven isn't the one that succumbed to the compulsion and forced a girl into prostitution, but rather the slave girl that was forced into prostitution! What kind of God would condemn a woman, who had been forced into prostitution against her will, in the first place?
However it is perfectly consistent with the Muslim male mindset, that causes men to kill members of their own family, that are the victims of rape. The term is "honor killing".
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=honor+killing+rape+victims&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=df82d86320cf60e9

Bukhari:V5B59N459 I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus."

Mohammed's "Allah" even sanctioning the rape of married (adultery) non-muslim women taken as spoils of war:

Sura 4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:....

And al-Jalalayn tafsir (4:24) states: "And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy [after the completion of one menstrual cycle]; this is what God has prescribed for you (kitba is in the accusative because it is the verbal noun)"

(Sahih Muslim) Book 8:3431: "It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified (of menses or delivery) in case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive. BOOK 8. KITAB AL-NIKAH
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/008.smt.html
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/muslim/content08.html

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018219.php

But then it should be no surprise when the same god sanctions the theft of the property of others gained through imperialistic conquest with a whole Sura titled: 8 - AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)

This details Mohammed's 1/5 share of the plundered goods gained, much like a Mafia Don.

Sura 8:41 And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger...

I wonder if Allah ever showed up to collect his portion of the 1/5 share?

8:69 But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah. for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Surah 59:7 What Allah has bestowed on His Messenger (and taken away) from the people of the townships,- belongs to Allah,- to His Messenger...
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=608.0

What if it had been you? What if it was your peaceful little town that the Mohammedans attacked? Your livestock that they stole? Your door they broke down, to steal everything you worked all your life for, and all your family heirlooms? Your 9 year old daughter, and wife, that some reprobate then pressed into sexual service in his harem?
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=856.0

What if they do it to your wife tomorrow, if the young man in the first video gets his way / Mohammed's way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V22qDQqMPL0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVM39L2D_Gw
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj4enzdgnH8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-DA4WmfFWI

So where can we suppose Mohammed resides today?

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0

Sura 23.1 The believers must (eventually) win through,-
23.5 Who abstain from sex, 6 Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,

So those who fornicate with their sex slaves, outside of their marriage to several wives, are "free from blame". Are we really to believe that God smiles down on fornicating adulterers?

My Muslim friends, do you really believe you would be a Muslim today, if you had not been born to Muslim parents?
Following a A SINGLE 7th century prophet who WAS, and taught, the EXACT OPPOSITE, of what the God of the Jews and Christians revealed in His 1600 year record, through ALL of the prophets and apostles, to His people, that have followed Him for 3500 years?
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=148.0

John 10:9  I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.    10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.    11  I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssh1AaJzbWE
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Additional translations to avoid attempts at excusing it away as translation errors:

Pickthal
Surah 24:33...Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. and if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be forgiving, Merciful.

Shakir
Sura 24:33 ...and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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Following Mohammed might have been understandable for illiterate desert dwelling men in the 7th and 8th centuries, that lusted after the property, wives and children of those they vanquished, but how can a Muslim in this 21st century consider the evidence against Mohammed and still believe that someone that displayed such a black heart - through Islam's own books - could be a messenger of God? How could a 21st century Muslim reject all the prophets and witnesses as revealed through the 1600 year record of God to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants over 3500 years, for the 23 year heavily abrogated 7th century record of a single person of such behavior?
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=856.0

Has your mind been broken by the Kaaba style repetitive mantras called for by your prophet?

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

If you are in the grip of Mohammed's 7th century religion, have you ever even read the Gospel, or have you simply trusted the word of Muslims around you to tell you what it is about?
Why not take a few moments and try reading a little?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

Here is an Arabic language audio New Testament 
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt_audio.htm
and a text Bible translated into Arabic, and much more.
http://www.arabicbible.com/

Dubai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUW9MWLIQYw

[Edit add 2-16-13]
(1) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.  (Book #34, Hadith #432)

(2) Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I saw Abu Said and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said said, "We went with Allah's Apostle, in the Ghazwa of Barli Al-Mustaliq and we captured some of the 'Arabs as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to practice coitus interruptus. We asked Allah's Apostle (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you not to do so. No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence."  (Book #46, Hadith #718)

(3) Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."  (Book #59, Hadith #459)

(4) Narrated Jabir: We used to practice coitus interrupt us during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle .  (Book #62, Hadith #135)

(5) Narrated Jabir: We used to practice coitus interrupt us while the Quran was being revealed. Jabir added: We used to practice coitus interrupt us during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle while the Quran was being Revealed.  (Book #62, Hadith #136)

(6) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."  (Book #62, Hadith #137)

(7) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That while he was sitting with the Prophet a man from the Ansar came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get slave girls from the war captives and we love property; what do you think about coitus interruptus?" Allah's Apostle said, "Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it, for there is no soul which Allah has ordained to come into existence but will be created."  (Book #77, Hadith #600)

(8) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That during the battle with Bani Al-Mustaliq they (Muslims) captured some females and intended to have sexual relation with them without impregnating them. So they asked the Prophet about coitus interrupt us. The Prophet said, "It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection." Qaza'a said, "I heard Abu Sa'id saying that the Prophet said, 'No soul is ordained to be created but Allah will create it."  (Book #93, Hadith #506)
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Re: Mohammed's Instruction on Slaves
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2009, 01:48:21 PM »
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018219.php#c453768

From Jihad Watch:

"I've had numerous online discussions with Muslims about this issue. At least half of them do not deny but try to justify the practice.

Recently, Ali Eteraz started a thread with the hope of using the Islamic texts or principles to argue against sex slavery, but they hadn't gotten very far with it last time I checked. Again, there are many Muslims why try to use relativistic arguments to try and justify it or explain it away.

Here is some Islamic textual and other evidence that gives the Muslim male permission to rape the non-Muslim female slaves and captives that his "right hand possesses."

Quranic verses:

23:5. "And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts).
23:6. Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame;"

70:29. "And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts) .
79:30. Except with their wives and the (women slaves and captives) whom their right hands possess, for (then) they are not to be blamed,"

4:24. "Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you."

Ibn Kathir's tafsir of verse 4:24 states:

"Forbidding Women Already Married, Except for Female Slaves

Allah said,
(Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.) The Ayah means, you are prohibited from marrying women who are already married,
(except those whom your right hands possess) except those whom you acquire through war, for you are allowed such women after making sure they are not pregnant. Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, "We captured some women from the area of Awtas who were already married, and we disliked having sexual relations with them because they already had husbands. So, we asked the Prophet about this matter, and this Ayah was revealed,
(Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess). Consequently, we had sexual relations with these women.'' [']"

And al-Jalalayn tafsir (4:24) states:

"And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy [after the completion of one menstrual cycle]; this is what God has prescribed for you (kit?ba is in the accusative because it is the verbal noun)."

Likewise, Ibn Abbas' tafsir (4:24) states:

"(And all married women (are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess) of captives, even if they have husbands in the Abode of War, after ascertaining that they are not pregnant, by waiting for the lapse of one period of menstruation."


33:50. "O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses - whom Allah has given to you."

Ibn Kathir notes, from 33:50,

"which refers to the slave-girls taken captive by Mohammad "-(those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses whom Allah has given to you,) means, `the slave-girls whom you took from the war booty are also permitted to you.' He owned Safiyyah and Juwayriyah, then he manumitted them and married them, and he owned Rayhanah bint Sham`un An-Nadariyyah and Mariyah Al-Qibtiyyah, the mother of his son Ibrahim, upon him be peace; they were both among the prisoners, may Allah be pleased with them."


Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 143:
Narrated Anas bin Malik: "when Allah enabled him [the Prophet] to conquer the Fort (of Khaibar), the beauty of Safiya bint Huyai bin Akhtab was described to him. Her husband had been killed while she was a bride. So Allah's Apostle selected her for himself and took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad-AsSahba,' where her menses were over and he took her for his wife. Haris (a kind of dish) was served on a small leather sheet. Then Allah's Apostle told me to call those who were around me. So, that was the marriage banquet of Allah's Apostle and Safiya." (Brackets added. Also see Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3325).

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 523:
Narrated Anas bin Malik: "The Prophet stayed with Safiya bint Huyai for three days on the way of Khaibar where he consummated his marriage with her. Safiya was amongst those who were ordered to use a veil."

One jihadist's declaration (in Tabari IX:25): "By Allah, I did not come to Fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta'if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant." Sex with the "war booty" captives was considered by Mohammad to be a much-deserved reward for the jihadists:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 637:
Narrated Buraida: "The Prophet sent 'Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and 'Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?" When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, "O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?" I said, "Yes." He said, "Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumus.""

Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3432 (also 3433, 3434): "Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: "And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

Sunan Abu Dawud, Volume 2, Number 2150:
Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto your save those (captives) whom your right hand possesses". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."

(Sahih Muslim) "Chapter 29: IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE" [transl. M M Khan]

Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3371 (3371-3388):
Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): O Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:
"Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence."

Malik's Muwatta, Book 29, Number 29.32.95:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Rabia ibn Abi Abd ar-Rahman from Muhammad ibn Yahya ibn Habban that Ibn Muhayriz said, "I went into the mosque and saw Abu Said al-Khudri and so I sat by him and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said al-Khudri said, 'We went out with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, on the expedition to the Banu al-Mustaliq. We took some Arabs prisoner, and we desired the women as celibacy was hard for us. We wanted the ransom, so we wanted to practise coitus interruptus. We said, 'Shall we practise coitus interruptus while the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, is among us before we ask him?' We asked him about that and he said, 'You don't have to not do it. There is no self which is to come into existence up to the Day of Rising but that it will come into existence.' "

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 11, Number 2153:
Narrated Ruwayfi' ibn Thabit al-Ansari: Should I tell you what I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say on the day of Hunayn: It is not lawful for a man who believes in Allah and the last day to water what another has sown with his water (meaning intercourse with women who are pregnant); it is not lawful for a man who believes in Allah and the Last Day to have intercourse with a captive woman till she is free from a menstrual course; and it is not lawful for a man who believes in Allah and the Last Day to sell spoil till it is divided.

Malik's Muwatta, Book 30, Number 30.2.13:
Yahya related to me from Malik that Abdullah ibn Dinar said, "A man came to Abdullah ibn Umar when I was with him at the place where judgments were given and asked him about the suckling of an older person. Abdullah ibn Umar replied, 'A man came to Umar ibn al-Khattab and said, 'I have a slave-girl and I used to have intercourse with her. My wife went to her and suckled her. When I went to the girl, my wife told me to watch out, because she had suckled her!' Umar told him to beat his wife and to go to his slave-girl because kinship by suckling was only by the suckling of the young.' "

Malik's Muwatta, Book 29, Number 29.32.100:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Humayd ibn Qays al-Makki that a man called Dhafif said that Ibn Abbas was asked about coitus interruptus. He called a slave-girl of his and said, "Tell them." She was embarrassed. He said, "It is alright, and I do it myself." Malik said, "A man does not practise coitus interruptus with a free woman unless she gives her permission. There is no harm in practising coitus interruptus with a slave-girl without her permission. Someone who has someone else's slave-girl as a wife, does not practise coitus interruptus with her unless her people give him permission."

Malik's Muwatta, Book 2, Number 2.23.90:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that the slave girls of Abdullah ibn Umar used to wash his feet and bring him a mat of palm leaves while they were menstruating.
Malik was asked whether a man who had women and slave girls could have intercourse with all of them before he did ghusl. He said, "There is no harm in a man having intercourse with two of his slave girls before he does ghusl.[1] It is disapproved of, however, to go to a freewoman on another's day. There is no harm in making love first to one slave girl and then to another when one is junub." [2]
Malik was asked about a man who was junub and water was put down for him to do ghusl with. Then he forgot and put his finger into it to find out whether it was hot or cold. Malik said, "If no filth has soiled his fingers, I do not consider that that makes the water impure."
Notes:
[1] ghusl: full ablution (ritual washing to remove some "impurity").
[2] junub: in a state of impurity following sexual activity.


In his in-depth article on Sex and Sexuality in Islam, (Islam critic) Abul Kasem writes:

"...a Muslim man (whether married or not), while living in an infidel country, can...(...have sex) with any number of infidel women without even having the slightest fear of committing Zina (fornication) or adultery"This is what I found when I consulted the living and breathing Islam, that is, Sha'ria [the material below is quoted from the Hedaya; note "Mussulman" means Muslim]:

"No punishment for Zina or adultery committed in a foreign country (ref. 11, p185)

"Punishment is not incurred by committing whoredom in foreign country. If a Mussulman be guilty of whoredom in a foreign country, or in the territory of the rebels, and afterwards return into a Mussulman state, punishment is not to be meted out on him, on the plea that a man, in embracing the Mussulman faith, binds himself to all the obligations thereof, wherever he may be. The arguments of our doctors on this occasion are twofold; --FIRST, the Prophet has said, "punishment is not to be inflicted in a foreign land"; SECONDLY, the design of the institution of punishment is that it may operate as a prevention or warning; now the Mussulman magistrate has no authority in a foreign country, wherefore if punishment were instituted upon a person committing whoredom in a foreign country, yet the institution would be useless; for the use of the institution is that punishment may be executed; and as the magistrate has no authority in a foreign country, the execution is impossible; whence it appears that the commission of whoredom in a foreign country does not occasion punishment there; and if this person should afterwards come from the foreign territory into a Mussulman state, punishment cannot be executed upon him; because as his whoredom did not occasion punishment at the time of its being committed, it will not afterwards occasion."(11) [Brackets added]."

Posted by: Khaybar Oasis [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 23, 2007 6:39 AM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018219.php#c453768

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Re: Mohammed's Instruction on Slaves
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2009, 01:52:21 PM »
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018219.php#c453771

http://www.colorq.org/HumanRights/article.aspx?d=Indonesia&x=Jakarta
Indonesia 1998. Chinese woman forced to watch gang rape and burning death of her sisters
"Another worker at the women's aid center, Ita Nadia, said some women had committed suicide after their ordeals. The reported attacks ranged from the degrading and humiliating to the horrific; from women who were made to strip and perform calisthenics in public to women who were repeatedly raped and then thrown into the flames of burning buildings. The reports involve girls and women ranging in age from 10 to 55, the aid workers said. Some were gang-raped in front of a crowd in the Chinese commercial district of Glodok, said Rita Kolibonso, executive director of the women's group Mitra Perempuan."
"Some of the rapists said, 'You must be raped because you are Chinese and non-Muslim,"' said Ms. Ita, who works at a crisis center called Kalyana Mitra."

http://www.refugeesinternational.org/content/article/detail/3215
"This strategy of rape as a weapon of war and social control is having a profound effect on the conception of the meaning of being Muslim for the people of Darfur. A distinction is being drawn between the Islam lived out in Darfur and that promulgated by the Khartoum government. Abnan and Al Tahir, two women from Darfur who have been raped had this to say: "A minority in power uses both Islam and Arabism to blindfold the whole society, to silence any political opposition or arrest human rights activists. On the contrary, in Darfur the ordinary people see Islam through a different lens. It's for them a religion with its true meaning. It's a religion and not a political tool. This is how you can understand how a Janjaweed Muslim can be told by Khartoum to rape a Muslim woman and her young girl regardless of Islam... and they too can do it-Muslims in Khartoum have corrupted Islam."

http://www.hrtribune.com/report/Thesis_Jenny3.pdf
Rape as Genocide Under International Criminal Law: The Case of Bangladesh.
Thesis by Jenny Lundstr'm. Lund University. Global Human Rights Defence.
Excerpts:
"In Bangladesh, gang rape has become a major tool of political terror, forcing minorities to flee and has proven more effective than murder. The victims have all been belonging to ethnic/religious minorities.* Neither little girls nor pregnant women and the elderly are spared. The perpetrators are men belonging to various branches of Muslim extremist political parties, including direct branches of the ruling BNP (e.g., various student wings of BNP like JCD and Jubo Dal. In many cases the rapists are closely related to BNP leaders." Page 31.

Bolding added.
BNP. Bangladesh Nationalist Party
*Note: Victims referred to here are primarily the Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Ahmadis.

Page 34. "The rapes taking place in Bangladesh are often associated with brutal violence (e.g., beatings, cuttings, and the forceful insertion of objects into the vagina) and a great majority of are gang rapes that takes place in front of the victim's husband, children, or parents. The investigative material from human rights organizations like GHRD provides countless examples of how victims have suffered physically and mentally as a result of rape. A victim as young as four years old was gang-raped in Jhenida and the rape was initiated by a local leader of Jatiyatabadi Chhatra Dal, (JCD) a student wing of the BNP. In order for the perpetrators to enable the act they had to first cut her vagina open with a knife."

Page 38. "the rapes in Bangladesh are taking place in a generally discriminatory structure and are supplemented by additional systematic attacks (killings, arson, destruction of cultural and religious places and other violence)."

http://www.synergyaids.com/documents/Turkey_GenderSex&CriminalLaws.pdf
Well-researched article. See especially pp. 33-43 on Rape


http://www.hrdc.net/sahrdc/hrfeatures/HRF31.htm
"Churches have been vandalised by Islamic extremists and Christian villages have been looted and burned, leaving thousands homeless. There have also been shocking cases of rape and murder. On their way home from working at a factory, eight Christian women, seven of whom were teenagers, were raped at gunpoint by Muslim men in May 2000. In 1998, four Muslim men raped a seven-year-old Christian girl named Nageena. In both cases, the perpetrators have gone unpunished while the victims and their families have been threatened with facing the "consequences" if they seek justice. Accused by his daughter's attackers, Ghulam Masih, Nageena's father, was put on death row for allegedly killing an old woman in his village."
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Re: Mohammed's Instruction on Slaves
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2009, 01:53:24 PM »
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018219.php#c453774
Popular Muslim sites admit to the Islamic validity of the practice:

Ask-Imam:

"Islam ensured that the slave girl's duties were not restricted merely to domestic chores but also gave her master permission to copulate with her. This concession created an atmosphere of love and harmony between the slave girl and her master. Islam thereby raised the status of the war captive-maidens close to that of wives. It was a psychological cure to her grief-stricken heart, being deprived of her family and thrown into the hands of a strange society."
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=5482

"Islam Q & A" reviews several Islamic scholarly opinions and concludes:

"The Book of Allaah indicates that the sexual relationships that are permitted are only of two types, either marriage or those (women slaves) whom one's right hand possesses.
Al-Umm, 5/43.

The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them.

And Allaah knows best."
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=10382&ln=eng&txt
(accessed March, 2007).


Some 'progressive' Muslims admit that Islamic law allows sex slavery:

Traditionalist View on Sex Slavery
by Oliver A Ruebenacker.
This author appears to be a progressive Muslim condemning the traditional view which permitted Muslim masters to rape non-Muslim female captives and slaves in their possession.
http://www.averroes-foundation.org/articles/sex_slavery.html
http://www.averroes-foundation.org/articles/sex_slavery_addendum.html

Sex with slaves and captives, notes at this progressive Muslim site http://silvers.progressiveislam.org/On_Rape


Non-Muslim scholars on sex slavery in Islam:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/med/lewis1.html
Bernard Lewis. Race and Slavery in the Middle East
Oxford Univ Press 1994.
Chpt. 1 Slavery
Lewis: "A Muslim slaveowner was entitled by law to the sexual enjoyment of his slave women. While free women might own male slaves, they had of course no equivalent right."

http://voi.org/books/mssmi/ch12.htm
CHAPTER XII: SEX SLAVERY
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Re: Mohammed's Instruction on Slaves
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2009, 01:54:13 PM »
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018219.php#c453776

Donna M. Hughes writes on the atrocities unfolding in Sudan:

"Where Islamic fundamentalists attack enemy populations, women and girls suffer even more. In Sudan in 1989, a coup installed the present military dictator Omar al Bashir, who declared Sudan to be an Islamic republic and imposed sharia (Islamic law). The Arab Islamist government intensified the long-standing conflict with the south by backing raids against the Christian and animist civilian populations. The raiders killed men and animals, burned villagers, and abducted women and children. Since 1983 - when the Sudan People's Liberation Army started the warfare that preceded Bashir's coup - an estimated 2 million people have been killed and 4.5 million people have become refugees and internally displaced persons. Two hundred thousand women and children have been captured for labor and sexual slavery. Some of the victims were trafficked into slavery and sexual servitude beyond northern Sudan to Middle Eastern countries.

"Once in the north, the slaves are subjected to forced Islamization and Arabization"...The inhabitants of Darfur are Muslims but from black African tribes. They are not Arab, and most significantly, not Islamist. The government seized this opportunity to ethnically cleanse the west as it has done in the south.

"Government airplanes and helicopters have bombed and strafed villages, and government-backed militia, called Janjaweed - meaning armed men on horseback - have attacked civilian populations in a scorched-earth campaign of killing, raping, burning villages, and driving people from their homes. An estimated 1.2 million people have been internally displaced and 170,000 have fled across the border into Chad. An estimated 30,000 have been killed.

"One rape victim was told by her attacker: "You, the black women, we will exterminate you, you have no God.""
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/hughes200408120844.asp

"Christian Solidarity Worldwide reported that in April 2005, a 9-year-old Pakistani girl was raped, beaten with a cricket bat, hanged upside down from the ceiling, had spoonfuls of chillies poured into her mouth, and repeatedly bashed while handcuffed. Her Muslim neighbours told her they were taking revenge for the American bombing of Iraqi children and informed her they were doing it because she was an "infidel and a Christian."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20646
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Re: Mohammed's Instruction on Slaves
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2009, 01:55:28 PM »
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018219.php#c453779

Not only slaves, but also wives can be raped under Islamic law:

Islam critic Abul Kasem, in his article Sex and Sexuality in Islam (11), quotes from the Hedaya, an authoritative commentary on Islamic laws:

"Here is what Hedaya (ref. 11, p. 141) writes:

"One can enjoy a wife by force"

"But not if she be refractory."

"If a wife be disobedient or refractory and go abroad without her husband's consent, she is not entitled to any support from him, until she return and make submission, because the rejection of the matrimonial restraint in this instance originates with her; but when she returns home, she is then subject to it, for which reason she again becomes entitled to her support as before. It is otherwise where a woman, residing in the house of her husband, refuses to admit him to the conjugal embrace, as she is entitled to maintenance, notwithstanding her opposition, because being then in his power, he may, if he please, enjoy her by force."
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Re: Mohammed's Instruction on Slaves
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2009, 01:56:24 PM »
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018219.php#c453782

Re: Sexual relations between a female slave and a Muslim master

Anyone who does not believe human beings are capable of this are naieve, especially if religion permits it. It has taken 60 years for the Japanese to apologize to the rest of Asia for the sexual slavery of non-Japanese women there.

Islam is a perfect rationalization system for slavery, as well as racism and mass murder.
Hitler once noted that Islam is compatible with Nazism. (He thought Christianity was not compatible with Nazism and called Christianity "the Jewish Christ Creed with its pity ethics".) Lately, I've realized why he said that.

If one looks at Muslim societies it is striking how ethnically homogeneous they are (that is especially true with the Arabs) and Muslim societies are also prone to persecute and exploit ethnic minorities as, for example, in Saudi Arabia. (There is no way a country such as Saudi Arabia would tolerate large numbers of African Negros, Orientals, Irish, etc. in their midst on any basis of equality. No way. It's not the USA.)

Islam in practice will produce a racist society that will permit slavery, as well as mass murder(as with the Armenians). Arabs were extensively involved in the African Negro slave trade. (Ironically, the British, with their control of the sea lanes, did much to end slavery in the 19th century.)

I am not at all surprised that Muslims dream of having slaves-particularly women slaves. This is also a culture that fears women and must control them. It's a rationalization system for exploitation of almost every kind-including slavery.
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Re: Mohammed's Instruction on Slaves
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2009, 01:58:14 PM »
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018219.php#c453783

BTW, the propaganda term "Islamophobia" will not stop the critical analysis of Islam. They cannot stop the communications revolution that is causing non-Muslims to see that Islam is a supremacist (primarily Arab Imperialism). As Hugh said, "the cat's out of the bag".
Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 23, 2007 7:47 AM

Robert Spencer, in a 2004 article, cites examples of rape carried out by Muslims during jihads, from two different parts of the world:

"...This happened in Darfur, from which Sudanese military personnel actually airlifted women to Khartoum to serve as sex slaves"

"[a victim reported that] Each of us was raped by between three and six men".One woman refused to have sex with them, so they split her head into pieces with an axe in front of us."

"Meanwhile, Indira Dzetskelova, the mother of one of the child hostages in Beslan, Russia, reports that "several 15-year-old girls were raped by terrorists." Her daughter "heard their terrible cries and screams when those monsters took them away."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15206

Rape perpetrated by predominantly Muslim immigrants and those of Muslim background have increased alarmingly in Europe in recent years, as has been well-documented by Fjordman:

"According to a new study from the Crime Prevention Council, Br", it is four times more likely that a known rapist is born abroad, compared to persons born in Sweden. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. According to these statistics, almost half of all perpetrators are immigrants. In Norway and Denmark, we know that non-Western immigrants, which frequently means Muslims, are grossly overrepresented on rape statistics. In Oslo, Norway, immigrants were involved in two out of three rape charges in 2001. The numbers in Denmark were the same, and even higher in the city of Copenhagen with three out of four rape charges. Sweden has a larger immigrant, including Muslim, population than any other country in northern Europe. The numbers there are likely to be at least as bad as with its Scandinavian neighbors. The actual number is thus probably even higher than what the authorities are reporting now, as it doesn't include second generation immigrants. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm, who has investigated violent crimes in Svea high court, found that 85 per cent of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or by foreign parents."

"The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations are so extremely high that it is difficult to view them only as random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. This happens in most Western European countries, as well as in other infidels countries such as India. In Bradford, England, Channel 4 pulled a documentary about Pakistani and other Muslim men sexually abusing white English girls, some
as young as 11. Writer Theodore Dalrymple thinks that "thanks to their cultural inheritance, (Muslim) abuse of women is systematic rather than unsystematic as it is with the whites and blacks." In France, grotesque reports about systematic
gang rapes of French or "too Western" Muslim girls keep coming in. At the same time, European jails are getting filled up with Muslims imprisoned for robberies and all kinds of violent crimes, and Muslims bomb European civilians. You can
see the mainstream media are struggling to make sense of all of this. That's because they can't, or don't want to, see the obvious: This is exactly how an invading army would behave. Rape, pillage and bomb-If you postulate that many of the
Muslims in Europe view themselves as a conquering army and that European women are simply war booty, it all makes perfect sense and is in full accordance with Islamic law."
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/Fjordman51213.htm

The same type of trend has emerged in Australia, where once again Muslim male perpetrators are targetting non-Muslim women on the belief that non-Muslim women are not to be respected, whereas strict Muslim women must be spared from being raped. Journalist Sharon Lapkin writes:

"When a number of teenage Australian girls were subjected to hours of sexual degradation during a spate of gang rapes in Sydney that occurred between 1998 and 2002, the perpetrators of these assaults framed their rationale in ethnic terms. The young victims were informed that they were "sluts" and "Aussie pigs" while they were being hunted down and abused.

"In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf.
"And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.

"And with haunting synchronicity in 2004, the London Telegraph reported that visiting Egyptian scholar Sheik Yusaf al-Qaradawi claimed female rape victims should be punished if they were dressed immodestly when they were raped. He added, "For her to be absolved from guilt, a raped woman must have shown good conduct."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20646
Posted by: Khaybar Oasis [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 23, 2007 7:55 AM


It says right in the Qur'an that a Muslim warrior can have sex with his wives and any captives that his right hand possesses. (Guess they don't have to be female, but maybe that is understood)

Radical, facist, jihadist muslim males want to kill infidel men, rape their wives and children and then sell the less desirable as slaves.

It has occurred in the past and there are very few "moderate" muslims who will stand up and condemn it and demand it be removed from Islamic beliefs.

How can we tolerate the intolerable?
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Re: Mohammed's Instruction on Slaves
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2009, 02:00:24 PM »
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018219.php#c453909

PRCS writes: "Let's cut to the chase.
Today, in the twenty-first century, is the treatment of slaves really the issue?"

As CapitalistGig says, yes it is.

It is one of the major Islam-related issues, partly because so many people in the world are affected by it.

http://www.meforum.org/article/189
Slavery in the Middle East
Charles Jacobs (in 1999) writes:
"According to conservative estimates, twenty-seven million people today are living in human bondage around the globe. By definition, these slaves are made to work for little or no money by means of force or the threat of force. In the worst case, that of chattel-slavery, people are the owned property of others and are bred and passed on through their masters.
In Mauritania and Sudan, one finds, respectively, the most ignored and the worst cases of slavery. ["]"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6455365.stm.
No return for Sudan's forgotten slaves. Friday, 16 March 2007

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L18334379.htm
FEATURE-Slavery still exists in Mauritania. 21 Mar 2007 18:04:58 GMT
Source: Reuters.

Two hundred thousand women and children have been captured for labor and sexual slavery. Some of the victims were trafficked into slavery and sexual servitude beyond northern Sudan to Middle Eastern countries.
"Once in the north, the slaves are subjected to forced Islamization and Arabization"
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/hughes200408120844.asp

The Persistence of Slavery in Islam (Robert Spencer)
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=29227

Saudi sheik: 'Slavery is a part of Islam'
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35518

Slaves in Saudi Arabia
http://www.thedailystar.net/2004/07/27/d40727150297.htm

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012979.php
Saudi officials pressure U.S. to release slave-owner from jail.

Saudi Slavery in America http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/joelmowbray/2003/02/12/169237.html

Exploitation and Abuse of Migrant Workers in Saudi Arabia
http://hrw.org/mideast/saudi/labor/

(UAE) "Emirates anti-slavery law throws camel races into crisis" 11 July, 2006
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=6665

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/014866.php
Kuwaiti diplomat alleged to have imposed slavery-like conditions of domestic workers in U.S

Irvine couple pleads guilty to enslaving girl from Egypt
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/14935135.htm


Mende Nazar's Story (tells of slavery in Sudan)
http://www.antislavery.org/homepage/news/mendenazarfeature.htm
Ex-Sudanese Slave Recounts Horror of His Abduction and Treatment in Northern Sudan
http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/s06090025.htm

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070428/SPECIAL12/704290309
Darfuri refugees say they face apathy, silence from most of their fellow Muslims
Pakistani Muslims Kidnap Christian Children for slavery

http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/002179.html
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/003665.html
Should The Islamic World Apologize For Slavery? By Adrian Morgan

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018219.php#c453909


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Re: Mohammed's Instructions on Slaves
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2009, 07:39:04 AM »
So how can anyone suggest the following sura is a call to something other than rape and sex slavery?

Sura 33:50-51 "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war ... this only for thee, and not for believers [at large]; we know what we have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hand possess; - in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And God is oft-forgiving, most merciful.

And the following as other than instruction regarding pimping out one's sex slaves?

Sura 24:33:...But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),     

So when she doesn't desire chastity - perhaps wants to split the cash - then pimp her out for gain.
But then even if her captor forces her, Allah is forgiving! Pretty convenient god.

Can someone who follows Mohammed please explain to us, just how you can follow him, in light of his character?
Just why it is you reject the 1600 year record that God's people have followed through two covenants, for 3500 years, and instead follow the exact opposite, through such a man, and his stand-alone 7th century religious invention?

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Re: Mohammed's Instructions on Slaves
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2010, 08:22:53 AM »
Mohammed's fornication with concubines and slaves.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1013.msg6248#msg6248



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Re: Mohammed's Instructions on Prisoners & Slaves
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2011, 09:13:16 AM »
[[[[he freed slaves]]]]

You have to make slaves in order to free slaves. Slavery didn't end in some Islamic countries until the 1980s because of outside pressure, though it is still practiced widely in Muhammadan Africa. Slavery will always be Islamic, particularly the enslavement of African blacks.
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Re: Slavery in Islam - Muhammad's and Today's
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2014, 12:41:50 PM »
A lot of subjects well covered in a brief period in this great video by a black American that understands the Islamic roots of slavery over the last 1400 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGhZWnMxJkI

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Re: Slavery in Islam - Muhammad's and Today's
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2017, 03:30:01 PM »
Mauritania: Slavery's last stronghold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yQlOPD8mNo

Not a very sufficient title since:  "The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/#winston_churchill

Same today, as Churchill's words of over 100 years ago, as throughout 1400 years of Islam.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/women_in_islam.htm