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Messianic Jews/Christians / Re: My Introduction
« Last post by PeteWaldo on May 29, 2017, 07:18:06 AM »
Now for the last part of your earlier post that I didn't have a chance to get to.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=5395.msg20340#msg20340

7. In regards to time lines, this is again just theory.

But it's a darned good theory, since the math problems cross confirm each other, in conjunction with their explaining the text of bible prophecy that was fulfilled, that could not have been seen until after the restoration of Jews to their land in 1948 and city in 1967. Like "ended shattering the strength of the holy people", which is exactly what happened when Jews were fully restored to power when they took back their city in 1967 (2500 years after the 3rd year of Cyrus as date pinned by Daniel).
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm#time_times_half
Further confirmed by the book of Daniel having been sealed until we entered this "time of the end" and could see the fulfilled problems by looking back through history in light with their solutions in hand.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm#day_year_language

Compared to your fantasizing about the future that is so misguided it has you cheering on a rebuilt temple, even though Jesus built our perfect temple in 3 days, nearly 2,000 years ago, through his crucifixion, death and resurrection - just as He assured that He could.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm

Especially since most biblical timelines do no use the biblical calendar established by G-d in Exodus or tie in the feast days which he says would be a sign. For example, "Now on knows the day or the hour" is a Hebrew translation of what Jews say to each other during Yom Kippur. So clearly, Yom Kippur is in Revelations? Do Christians even known what Yom Kippur even is?

And just look where your Judaizing scripture got you. Cheering on animal sacrifices after Jesus' one sacrifice forever.

8. Again, I do not use the NIV, only with online with copying and pasting. I use the Complete Jewish bible that actually uses Hebrew and Greek. Which in reality, would be more accurate.

Then why does your Rabbi use the King James? Could it be because the Complete Jewish Bible is just another pop bible translation (wasn't published in its entirety until 1998), and from what I can tell from the following link relies on a Greek translation done by a single individual named Dr. Stern.
https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Complete-Jewish-Bible-CJB

I'll take the good ole Textus Receptus foundation of the King James any day.

And gee, wouldn't you know it, I just now learned that our Dr. Stern translator is a Messanic Jew! Any surprise that our new member wanted to come in here to Judaize us?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Stern

Remember how earlier I pointed out that pop Bibles are driven by doctrine and profits? Any surprise one of Dr. Stern's former titles is "Messianic Jewish Manifesto"?
But he's certainly not alone. A lot of false doctrines and cults invaded the church in the 19th and 20th centuries - just as was also prophesied:

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4  And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/traditional_framework.htm#cults

You certainly aren't the first to be led away from the truth. I'd set aside David H. Stern's bible if you want to follow Jesus Christ rather than Stern.
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Messianic Jews/Christians / Re: My Introduction
« Last post by PeteWaldo on May 29, 2017, 06:52:58 AM »
Actually the Blood moons have passed so im not "foretelling the future", im just stating it lines up with biblical times lines that G-d established in Lev. 23. exactly. You clearly have no idea what the blood moons even are.  Sorry your truth doesnt override what G-d said and installed and stated it would be forever. Its clearly written in the book, take it up with the author. 

When did I even say about population rising in Europe........

You didn't. I just added that, and even Italy - with the Pope's backyard even leaving the church of Rome.

........when I specifically said in in Latin America,.........

And I showed you how wrong you are about Latin America, with Christians leaving the Roman Church en masse for Protestantism. Did you read my post? You are constantly requiring me to repeat myself. Scroll to the middle of the post at this link and try reading the Pew poll on the subject:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=5395.msg20354#msg20354

........Asia and Africa. Considering im actually from Africa and have worked with ministries and the Catholic population in East Africa is rising. Youve never stepped foot in Africa.

I am aware that even according to al-Jazerra over 6 million Muslims come to Christ every year in Africa alone. The rate of growth of Africans coming to Christ is not surprising at all, considering the historical alternatives they are coming from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbARhSI2xio

Rapid growth has occurred in sub-Saharan Africa, which today is home to about 171 million Catholics (16%), up from an estimated 1 million (less than 1%) in 1910.

When it was considerably tribal jungle. Should we be surprised they responded to the Gospel in place of the African superstitions of 1910?
What you need to demonstrate is the growth of Roman Catholicism compared to Protestantism, which in Latin America at least we can see is sinking like a stone.

There also has been rapid growth in the vast Asia-Pacific region, where 131 million Catholics (12%) now live, up from 14 million (5%) a century ago.

Again, not impressive, for the same reason as other developing countries (particularly over a century that was heavy in active Christian mission work), and it will remain irrelevant until you compare it with the growth of protestantism in the same countries.

Which of course is irrelevant anyway, since the only Africans that are flooding into Europe as militants bent on death and destruction are Muslims of the Islamic beast, obviously not any Roman Catholic warriors. The whole notion of a Roman Catholic church serving army is ridiculous and disconnected from history and reality.







North America’s share of the global Catholic population has increased more slowly, from about 15 million (5%) in 1910 to 89 million (8%).

Please tell me where I mentioned Europe since I specifically said Asia, Africa and Latin America?

Latin America about which you were wrong, and without knowing I would be the same shift from Roman Catholicism to Protestantism is happening throughout the developing world, as is happening in Latin America. The Pope's rapidly loosing ground even in his own backyard - Italy.

Yes Catholics have gone more mainstream which it has increased it popularity especially amongst the secular world, which garners them favors. How that aspect and them being the richest country in the world eludes you is astounding

What does Catholics claiming Peter being the First pope have to do with me?

The same tired old type of claim of being the original, or the genuine, or the only, followers of Jesus Christ. Falsely believing the claim somehow awards you a position of authority and franchise to stand in judgment of the Christian worship of others.

considering there is zero archaeological or historical evidence that says such. Please show me anywhere in the bible that Peter called himself a christian? Zero, in fact,  the term "christian" is the GREEK form because Christ (Christos) is the closet Greek word to Hebrew for Moshiach (Messiah).They would have called themselves Messianics.  So when it says Christian, the Hebrew or Aramaic speakers would have said Messianic not Christian.

As an English speaking westerner that follows Jesus Christ, I am happy to be referred to by the term "Christian".

Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Can't you begin to see the level of your arrogance? Let alone an obsession with the flesh - in this case an English word - that compels you to separate yourself from those of us that call ourselves and other followers of Jesus Christ, Christians? Did your Rabbi throw away his King James version after he read that verse?

You clearly dont even understand the language and context that it was written in and that Paul was talking about Havdallah service and not Sunday worship. Which is why you think Sunday worship is in the New Testament..........

Bearing more false witness against me. What I generally do is quote Paul rather than express personal opinion on the subject. Here's why:

Rom 14:5 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

I recommend you turn to scripture as well, since you are all stuck up in the stuff you have been fed, by the traditions of men who have usurped the authority of Jesus Christ. There are few things the Lord expresses a personal hatred of, and one of them is nicolaitainism.
Though considering the prior verse, if you believe you should be in bondage to the old covenant law, then perhaps you should be (though I seriously doubt it).

........which wasnt installed till well AFTER the people in the New Testament and would be considered a heresy.

PER CHRISTIAN HISTORY: History of the Christian Church, vol. 3

Sabbath Officially Changed to Sunday

A.D. 321—Sunday officially becomes the weekly day of worship (in place of the Sabbath) by a legal enactment of Emperor Constantine (History of the Christian Church, vol. 3, p. 378ff, by Philip Schaff; History of the Christianity, vol 1, p. 93, by Kenneth Scott Latourette).

PETER-
In reality Peter was venerated by all sects of Judaism even when they had theological differences, (something I dont see in this forum):

It's true, we don't venerate men in this forum, except as our Lord and Savior was manifest in the flesh of a man.

James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Rashi's grandson, Rabbeinu Tam, cites a midrash that also speaks highly of Peter in his Otzar HaMidrashim.
said that Peter "was the leader of the poets, and... was granted great wisdom."[2] The Hebrew word used for "wisdom" is the word chochmah, which is used only to describe the very learned in Torah. By "leader of the poets," the midrash is referring to someone who excels as an author of liturgical hymns called piyyutim. In fact, the midrash goes on to say Peter "composed great hymns for Israel."[3] According to some traditions, we are still in possession of two of these today.

And according to Catholic "tradition" he was the first pope.

Peter is called Nishmat ("Soul of"), which opens with the words, "The soul of every living being will bless your name."[4] This beautiful hymn is recited every Shabbat morning (which are in the Siddur-daily prayer book), and once a year at the end of the Passover Seder. So in reality Jews today still prayer they prayers written by Peter who himself still observed Torah throughout his entire life.

Once again showing you concrete history and archaeology to prove your vile straw man arguments incorrect.

Once again you are long on tradition, but still woefully short on scripture.

Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

However, since Ive posted on here youve shown utter contempt (to a Jew).

I love Jews. What I have shown here is disappointment in someone who believes in Jesus Christ, but not in the temple He built - indeed is the chief cornerstone of.

Then you site you have support for "Zionism" and "Israel" when you clearly speak negatively about Torah in the same breath?

Because Zionism is prophesied in the Old Testament and I even showed you how Daniel pinned the dates of 1948 and 1967 mathematically right to the year. That doesn't mean I am compelled to denigrate the temple that Jesus built, by believing God would inhabit a temple made by hands of men, much less inhabit it for ever! Rather than His inhabiting the "true tabernacle which the Lord pitched."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm

Hypocrite, you should be ashamed of yourself

Now your just being silly. But what did Jesus call those who allowed their traditions to make the word of God of none effect?

Im abusing bible prophecy?

Yes, by believing that it's purpose is to allow you to predict the future, as if you are a prophet. And it isn't like we weren't warned:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/traditional_framework.htm#fulfilled_prophecy

You still cant explain to me why the menorah, the temple, food sacrificed to idols and unclean and unclean birds are mentioned in Revelations since the law is done away with.

Because it's written in the figurative language of a prophetic dream, and because Revelation can serve as somewhat of an index to the rest of scripture.

You havent even mentioned as to why the blood moons appaered on the biblical time line established in Lev 23. Theory is just that, theory and not law. While I ascribe to some aspects that you have stated the rest isnt sound doctrine.

At least mine has been made on the basis of scripture as opposed to tradition.

90% of Christians? You speak for youself and I have stated im not a Christian, im Jewish.........

It would help you to be misunderstood less if you alternated with "Jewish Christian".
A little less Judaizing wouldn't hurt either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Christian

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

........ and you know nothing about about Torah, Halacha, Mishna or Talmud , Because if you did you realize what ive been saying is common in Jewish circles except with the open acknowledgement of Yeshua being the Moshiach.

I will no longer engage in any form conversation with you, remove my name and any content ive published in this forum. If there are specific instructions for me to do so please post the link.

But that would make a colossal waste of not only your time spent but both of our time, and would deprive readers in the future of our respective efforts to make our cases. The only reason I can imagine for you to want to do so is if you are disappointed in your own effort. The user ID needs to stay active as well to allow anyone wants to search your posting history with key words. Even perhaps for you to peruse some of those links I posted that you ignored.

Again as ive said before good day,  "Brother" Pete 

And good day to you brother Patricio.
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Thank you brother!

What do muslims believe in regards to the levites and the temple?
What is the Injil? IS that Jesus in the Koran (his name)? or the gospel according to the muslims?

I am studying the link you gave me earlier. I will post the questions I have for you, I just hope I dont overwhelm you!

Injil is arabic for Gospel. Though it should be understood that the Koran has no true understanding of the Gospel. In the Koran Jesus is called Isa, though a more accurate translation should be Yeshu. The disconnect for Muslims is that according to Paul's own words, and indeed the entirety of Jesus' mission, the Gospel is summed up in one act. Jesus' sacrifice for us sinners. For Paul stated that, "For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." Muslims must by necessity of their beliefs deny this, the crux of the Gospel. If anyone has any other understanding of the Gospel than this they do not understand the Gospel. They have but the doctrines of devils.
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Messianic Jews/Christians / Re: Sunday Worship
« Last post by rexmundi on May 28, 2017, 03:52:18 AM »
Patricio81, I am not trying to be confrontational but could you sum up in a succinct manner what point you are trying to make? We are of the belief that it is the condition of the heart that is important. It is clear that you have researched your beliefs very thoroughly but on the flip side of that coin it would seem you are smoke without flame. In other words for all the signs of fire you are without flame. For all your talking you fail to convey substance. I don't say this to be insulting but I am merely pointing out that you fail to make your point clearly and distinctly. Jesus, or if you prefer, Yeshua minced no words and was very clear in the points that he made, as were his apostles. SO I ask you to clarify your position as succinctly and clearly as possible
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Messianic Jews/Christians / Re: My Introduction
« Last post by PeteWaldo on May 27, 2017, 08:06:39 PM »
Im not in a cult, im a Sephardic Jew who actually goes to a Yeshiva and have studied academically the Tanakh, Near Eastern Cultures and the Brit Chadashah from actual Princeton professors, Rabbis and a Levite.

Luk 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Youve never studied Torah and tend to think because youre Christian your (replacement) doctrine overrules centuries of work from sages and Yeshivas.

No, Jesus did that at the cross. Why do you think the veil of the temple was "rent in twain" from top to bottom at Jesus' death? Why do you think the Lord arranged to have the temple torn down almost 40 years later? So there would be one temple, with one path to God illuminated.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Unlike you I can actually dialogue......

You're deluding yourself, having begun your monologue when you came in here by copy and pasting panels of text on traditions of the flesh, with a load of links. It's not dialogue when you ignore my requests for you to detail what you believe is the succession of kingdoms in John's world, for example, much less ignore the scripture that indicated the old covenant "decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away".

......without being a complete child and I see this is the reputation youve garnered for yourself by looking at posts littered in the forums and dwindling forum traffic on this site.

No where did Jesus build a temple,........

Perhaps not for you, but he sure did for He and His followers:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

His disciples remembered and believed, but apparently you don't.

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

You just can't see it through the fog of your tradition. I wonder what kind of first century Jew you would have made, since Jesus did not come as a warrior which they expected through their future-predicting, which is why so many Jews rejected Him - because of their traditions.

........especially since the bible clearly states hes a Rabbi and priest who upheld the law. It says this in Greek and in Hebrew concordance , not to mention all the disciples did the same, which was follow Torah. Refuting blatant archaeological and historical studies doesnt make you correct,.........

It is you that refuses to see the simple matter of fact historical succession of 8 kings/kingdoms in John's whole world, while ignoring the scriptures, so you can worship through the flesh and follow futurist fantasy.

........it make you look like overly angry person who cant dialogue properly. Moreover, in Zechariah it says the temple that Ezekiel foresaw..........

In the figurative language of his prophetic vision. If you believe it to be literal, then God would have to live in a temple built by the hands of men forever:

Ezekiel 43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever.....

And of course the scriptures assure us that He would not:

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Your distance from scripture is what makes you vulnerable to getting filled with the traditions of men, as opposed to relying on scripture as you repeatedly demonstrate in here. Roman Catholics do the same thing. We already have our high priest:

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

........would be for all nations........

And the temple that Jesus built per scripture is indeed for all people.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

........in the Messianic Era, that is also stated Revelations.  Yeshua sacrifice was for the sin of Adam.........

I can't believe that anyone who believes in the shed blood of the Lamb of God would be unable to see it was shed so we can be saved from our own retched sins.

Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

.........which saves up from the second death. There is clearly still sin in the world so youre replacement theology does not work in this scenario.

There are two kingdoms here that one must choose between. The  world - that is, Satan's kingdoms - or the kingdom of God. I am in the latter in the company of all those detailed in the Ephesians 2 verses above.
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Messianic Jews/Christians / Re: My Introduction
« Last post by Patricio81 on May 25, 2017, 05:25:09 PM »
Im not in a cult, im a Sephardic Jew who actually goes to a Yeshiva and have studied academically the Tanakh, Near Eastern Cultures and the Brit Chadashah from actual Princeton professors, Rabbis and a Levite. Youve never studied Torah and tend to think because youre Christian your (replacement) doctrine overrules centuries of work from sages and Yeshivas.  Unlike you I can actually dialogue without being a complete child and I see this is the reputation youve garnered for yourself by looking at posts littered in the forums and dwindling forum traffic on this site.

No where did Jesus build a temple, especially since the bible clearly states hes a Rabbi and priest who upheld the law. It says this in Greek and in Hebrew concordance , not to mention all the disciples did the same, which was follow Torah. Refuting blatant archaeological and historical studies doesnt make you correct, it make you look like overly angry person who cant dialogue properly. Moreover, in Zechariah it says the temple that Ezekiel foresaw would be for all nations in the Messianic Era, that is also stated Revelations.  Yeshua sacrifice was for the sin of Adam which saves up from the second death. There is clearly still sin in the world so youre replacement theology does not work in this scenario. Actually the Blood moons have passed so im not "foretelling the future", im just stating it lines up with biblical times lines that G-d established in Lev. 23. exactly. You clearly have no idea what the blood moons even are.  Sorry your truth doesnt override what G-d said and installed and stated it would be forever. Its clearly written in the book, take it up with the author. 

When did I even say about population rising in Europe when I specifically said in in Latin America, Asia and Africa. Considering im actually from Africa and have worked with ministries and the Catholic population in East Africa is rising. Youve never stepped foot in Africa.

Rapid growth has occurred in sub-Saharan Africa, which today is home to about 171 million Catholics (16%), up from an estimated 1 million (less than 1%) in 1910. There also has been rapid growth in the vast Asia-Pacific region, where 131 million Catholics (12%) now live, up from 14 million (5%) a century ago.

North America’s share of the global Catholic population has increased more slowly, from about 15 million (5%) in 1910 to 89 million (8%).

Please tell me where I mentioned Europe since I specifically said Asia, Africa and Latin America? Yes Catholics have gone more mainstream which it has increased it popularity especially amongst the secular world, which garners them favors. How that aspect and them being the richest country in the world eludes you is astounding

What does Catholics claiming Peter being the First pope have to do with me? considering there is zero archaeological or historical evidence that says such. Please show me anywhere in the bible that Peter called himself a christian? Zero, in fact,  the term "christian" is the GREEK form because Christ (Christos) is the closet Greek word to Hebrew for Moshiach (Messiah).They would have called themselves Messianics.  So when it says Christian, the Hebrew or Aramaic speakers would have said Messianic not Christian. You clearly dont even understand the language and context that it was written in and that Paul was talking about Havdallah service and not Sunday worship. Which is why you think Sunday worship is in the New Testament which wasnt installed till well AFTER the people in the New Testament and would be considered a heresy.


PER CHRISTIAN HISTORY: History of the Christian Church, vol. 3

Sabbath Officially Changed to Sunday

A.D. 321—Sunday officially becomes the weekly day of worship (in place of the Sabbath) by a legal enactment of Emperor Constantine (History of the Christian Church, vol. 3, p. 378ff, by Philip Schaff; History of the Christianity, vol 1, p. 93, by Kenneth Scott Latourette).


PETER-
In reality Peter was venerated by all sects of Judaism even when they had theological differences, (something I dont see in this forum):
Rashi's grandson, Rabbeinu Tam, cites a midrash that also speaks highly of Peter in his Otzar HaMidrashim.
said that Peter "was the leader of the poets, and... was granted great wisdom."[2] The Hebrew word used for "wisdom" is the word chochmah, which is used only to describe the very learned in Torah. By "leader of the poets," the midrash is referring to someone who excels as an author of liturgical hymns called piyyutim. In fact, the midrash goes on to say Peter "composed great hymns for Israel."[3] According to some traditions, we are still in possession of two of these today.
Peter is called Nishmat ("Soul of"), which opens with the words, "The soul of every living being will bless your name."[4] This beautiful hymn is recited every Shabbat morning (which are in the Siddur-daily prayer book), and once a year at the end of the Passover Seder. So in reality Jews today still prayer they prayers written by Peter who himself still observed Torah throughout his entire life.

Once again showing you concrete history and archaeology to prove your vile straw man arguments incorrect.

However, since Ive posted on here youve shown utter contempt (to a Jew). Then you site you have support for "Zionism" and "Israel" when you clearly speak negatively about Torah in the same breath? Hypocrite, you should be ashamed of yourself

Im abusing bible prophecy? You still cant explain to me why the menorah, the temple, food sacrificed to idols and unclean and unclean birds are mentioned in Revelations since the law is done away with. You havent even mentioned as to why the blood moons appaered on the biblical time line established in Lev 23. Theory is just that, theory and not law. While I ascribe to some aspects that you have stated the rest isnt sound doctrine.

90% of Christians? You speak for youself and I have stated im not a Christian, im Jewish and you know nothing about about Torah, Halacha, Mishna or Talmud , Because if you did you realize what ive been saying is common in Jewish circles except with the open acknowledgement of Yeshua being the Moshiach.

I will no longer engage in any form conversation with you, remove my name and any content ive published in this forum. If there are specific instructions for me to do so please post the link.

Again as ive said before good day,  "Brother" Pete 
 
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Messianic Jews/Christians / Re: My Introduction
« Last post by PeteWaldo on May 25, 2017, 04:12:36 PM »
You just continue to be immature regarding the issue.

The Pope thinks he is G-d incarnate, that clearly not bible. Mormons believe in Jesus as well, they also believe that you have different levels of heaven according to your race and blacks are in Lesser heaven.
Jehovah witnesses also believe in Jesus but they also tfhink he is an Archangel. So clearly I was referring to their doctrine and not their people.

A guy in a cult points the finger, while he refuses to see the old covenant waxed away in the wake of the new covenant, and is lorded over by men that may not understand where authority lies in their church.

As I have stated before im Jewish and I follow Nazarite teachings of the early church which was created by Yeshua and his disciples.

For example when I read that, what I see is another empty claim by one indoctrinated, not unlike Roman Catholics believing that Peter was the first Pope and ever since the 12th century or so being indoctrinated to believe there is an unbroken succession from Peter until now, in spite of the overwhelming evidence that suggests that is the last thing they should desire to believe.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=15.0

Youre using "mathematics" and a faulty timeline.........

That is the same wishful empty claim an atheist made until I schooled her in the truth. She, like Muslims, was putting all of her effort into DISbelief.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=4691.msg17839#msg17839

......... instead of using the actual time line G-d gave after Israel was delivered from Egypt, which he stated will be in place forever. G-d also said that the feast days (Lev 23.) would be be signs of his return,....

Those dates haven't disappeared, only Christian's understanding that we aren't saved through ritual. Perhaps this converted Jew can explain it to you better than I can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMEkGoojbg&feature=youtu.be

Jesus castigated the Pharisees for the same:  Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

.....which you've for some reason jettisoned as well in your hypothesis because youve never studied Torah, which is why you keep deflecting my questions.

I posted the scriptures I needed to and thus repeatedly informed you I have no interest in learning about cult worship that is contrary to 90% of Christianity over thee last nearly 2,000 years.

As a result, you resort to other tactics.  So while there are some aspect I agree with you, some I do not because its not sound and ive checked with very good sources. At this point, you can run around in circles by yourself  To conclude that you 100% know the events that are going to transpire in the future is utterly unheard of.

How can you lie over and over again, equating me with the foolishness you yourself are guilty of? What does it take to make you understand? I do not abuse prophecy as if it were intended to make me a prophet. THAT'S WHY I AVOID FUTURE-PREDICTING AS THE FALSE PROPHETS DO.
That's your MO, which blinds you to seeing fulfilled prophecy through the matter of fact historical succession of kingdoms that ruled John's whole "world".
Even after repeatedly showing you the good sense of Isaac Newton and Matthew Henry on the subject of heretical future-predicting.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=5395.msg20306#msg20306

Eschatology is purely events that we know nothing of and is just speculation, while we know some aspect, no one knows everything.   Considering it says no man will know the day or the hour, which you dont even know what that even means.

That alone should dissuade you from your misguided habit of future-predicting. While I showed you how it blinded you to fulfilled prophecy and present day reality.

Interesting how the four blood moons that occurred in biblical prophecy followed the the biblical timeline G-d established in the Exodus to the exact which included the feast days.
Interesting how they all fell on biblical feast days

I dont engage in fantasy.....

But that is exactly what you are doing by fantasizing about the future.

.....infact the information I have posted is from rigorous research and writings from past and current Rabbis who have very sound doctrine, more knowledgeable than both of us. Which ive posted in other threads and you havent addressed because the Greek, Hebrew, history, archaeology show that you are incorrect.

Before you continue your Martin Luther rant against the Jews,........

More lies. This forum, my youtube videos and websites are larded with my support for Jews, Israel and Zionism. A whole forum section is devoted to the subject of Zionism.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?board=73.0
A whole website devoted to the subject:
http://historyofzionism.com/
With pages upon pages of other sites devoted to Jews and Zionism:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/christian_zionism.htm
http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/spirit_of_slumber.htm

You should be ashamed of yourself.

.......might I remind you that Yeshua was a Jew as was Paul, his disciples and Jon, who wrote down his vision all followed Torah and created a council that is nothing like the modern day church or its new doctrine.
This is my second time telling you. You will not sit here and slander me.

I only look at the original sources and Torah, not replacement theology  because that is what Yeshua, who was a Rabbi said to do.       

Good day.

Which cult has misguided you into cheering on a rebuilt temple, when Jesus Christ already built the perfect temple nearly 2,000 years ago, through his "one sacrifice for sin for ever".
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Messianic Jews/Christians / Re: My Introduction
« Last post by PeteWaldo on May 25, 2017, 03:53:34 PM »
4. Yes its clearly your theory. Which the majority I agree with. However, there is concrete evidence regarding the scriptures eluding that Rome is another beast and part of the other one. An aspect that I received from my Rabbi.

5. The KJV is not the 100% correct translation of the bible.......

I of course agree as I indicated when I quoted Logsdon, and followed by suggesting that perhaps Longsdon's pendulum had swung a little too far in the other direction. No surprise since he had just realized what a horror show pop-versions are. That's why the Rabbi that you seem to respect uses the KJV.

......especially since there have been footnotes added to explain the puritan editing of the old Testament. Yes its the best english translation but the 100% correct version of the Tanak is the Chumash, which is just a torah scroll in book form. Moreover, it is written in Hebrew, not in greek/english. In other words, it is a divine language. Which you forget due to you continual anti-jewish rhetoric.

More lies which leads me to believe that you must be under 30 or 40 and raised among a generation in which people casually lodge false accusations of racism in the hope they will stick. While my record in this forum, that all can see, demonstrates you are lying.
As I mentioned I can even understand why a still sovereignly blinded Jew may have an interest in a rebuilt temple, but for anyone who believes that Jesus is the Messiah - is the Lamb of God who was sacrificed to save us from sin through His shed blood, who built our temple in 3 days just as He said He could - and suggests a physical temple is needed and that Christ's finished and completed work on the Cross was somehow incomplete, insufficient and/or unfinished, to me it is against Christ.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm

Christianity did not superseded Judaism and you cant use dispansationalism......

Yours is the future-predicting of the dipsyes. I used to be one. Maybe someday you will overcome those who are lording over you just as I did.

......or replacement theology.......

Gotta put the buzzer on you again. I fully recognize that the restoration of Jews to our land is just as prophesied and as Christians imagined centuries before it came to pass.
http://www.historyofzionism.com/zionism_in_christianity.htm

.....to view Torah. A vast majority of the hebraics of the bible is lost due to translation. although, Christianity preaches salvation and the message of Jesus, the law has always been the mandate since creation and the sea of Moses was upheld by Yeshua.

Your choice:
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

6. Yes a concordance does help regardless of the translation because it strips false translations and editions.

But it doesn't add back that plethora of omissions in pop-bibles. Particularly since most of them are doctrine driven. And what can be more profitable that conjuring up yet another version of the most popular book in the world? While the King James is in the public domain outside of England. That's why you won't see it promoted in book store. No mammon to be made.

Ive pointed that out on several occasions and you do not address the issue, especially when it shows you that the early church followed Torah. Also you state the law is done away with yet in Revelations you still have unclean/clean birds and the Levites are still mentioned as gentiles will cling to them. You can only determine what is clean and unclean by the precepts of Torah and Levites were given a function by the Torah.

As Paul said, if you judge something to be unclean, then for you, it is unclean.

Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

As for me.....

Act 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

7. In regards to time lines, this is again just theory. Especially since most biblical timelines do no use the biblical calendar established by G-d in Exodus or tie in the feast days which he says would be a sign.

Mat 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

For example, "Now on knows the day or the hour" is a Hebrew translation of what Jews say to each other during Yom Kippur. So clearly, Yom Kippur is in Revelations? Do Christians even known what Yom Kippur even is?

8. Again, I do not use the NIV, only with online with copying and pasting. I use the Complete Jewish bible that actually uses Hebrew and Greek. Which in reality, would be more accurate.

Then why does your Rabbi use the King James?
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Messianic Jews/Christians / Re: My Introduction
« Last post by PeteWaldo on May 25, 2017, 03:14:25 PM »

Attacking the Roman Church even though Catholics believe Jesus was crucified, believe they are saved by His shed blood and believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.
While completely blinded by your fantasies to the blasphemy of THE false prophet Muhammad and his 1.5 billion followers:



No one is attacking the Roman Catholic church. In fact, I specifically said their dogma which has their origins in Babylonian polytheism. Also, I stated that im not condemning anyone in my previous post and stated verbatim that even in their own documents they state there will be a corrupt pope to rise up.

What they wish to believe about the future is irrelevant, though it demonstrates that they apparently suffer from the same affliction that you do. Abusing bible prophecy, as if it was provided to allow us to predict the future and make us all prophets, rather than after it is fulfilled demonstrating the veracity of scripture.

The Catholic church lost all their lands and possession in the 18th century and regained a vast amount when they won their court cases in the 1960s. The Vatican is the richest nation in the entire world, to say their influence is dwindling is entirely false.

I didn't say they weren't wealthy. I proved to you their influence was dwindling, particularly through an ethnographic view of the prophet John's whole "world". They are still being mercilessly slaughtered over there as the last of the remnant is wiped out. And the Roman Church is essentially dead in Europe.

Moreover, increasing catholic population in South America, Africa and Asia. The Church is also becoming popular as it entangles with the secular world. So you claim is false.

Whose claim is false? This load you are trying to peddle is about as sound as your eschatology. Growing in developing countries only through population growth (same as Islam's growth) but not as a percentage of population, and particularly not growing in developed countries. Even in the Pope's backyard:
"Meanwhile, traditionally Catholic countries such as Poland and Italy will suffer large declines in the numbers of their Catholic citizens."
http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2005/TheChangingDemographicsofRomanCatholics.aspx

Latin Americans have been switching from Roman Catholicism to Protestantism en masse throughout Latin America.

"Historical data suggest that for most of the 20th century, from 1900 through the 1960s, at least 90% of Latin America’s population was Catholic (See History of Religious Change). Today, the Pew Research survey shows, 69% of adults across the region identify as Catholic. In nearly every country surveyed, the Catholic Church has experienced net losses from religious switching, as many Latin Americans have joined evangelical Protestant churches or rejected organized religion altogether. For example, roughly one-in-four Nicaraguans, one-in-five Brazilians and one-in-seven Venezuelans are former Catholics."
"Indeed, in most of the countries surveyed, at least a third of current Protestants were raised in the Catholic Church, and half or more say they were baptized as Catholics."
http://www.pewforum.org/2014/11/13/religion-in-latin-america/

See how willing you are to believe nonsense, as long as you think it supports your unsound future predicting?

Again, no one is saying Isalm isnt blasphemous but so is large aspects of Catholicism due to its roots rooted in Babylonian polytheism. No one said Islam wasnt blasphemous and that wasnt even the issue at hand, thats a strawman argument. The aspect of whether we agree or not is moot at this point because ive stated before were going to agree to disagree.

No, you're going to continue to keep avoiding stating what you believe is the succession of kingdoms that ruled John's whole "world", because that succession is a matter of historical fact that cannot be denied, yet doesn't fit your futurist fantasizing. This is the matter of fact historical succession of kingdoms in John's whole "world":

Egypt
Assyria
Babylon
Medo-Persia
Greece
Roman Empire (kingdom that "is" during the first century as John wrote)
Islamic First Jihad
Islamic Second Jihad
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/johns_eight_beasts.htm

Same as the 7 heads of the LBL beast, since the 8th is of the 7th that was wounded to death, but whose deadly wound was healed by western wealth transfer.

If your understanding of the succession of kingdoms that ruled John's whole "world" varies from that, why not be constructive and inform us of in what way it does?
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Messianic Jews/Christians / Re: My Introduction
« Last post by Patricio81 on May 25, 2017, 09:44:57 AM »


Attacking the Roman Church even though Catholics believe Jesus was crucified, believe they are saved by His shed blood and believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.
While completely blinded by your fantasies to the blasphemy of THE false prophet Muhammad and his 1.5 billion followers:



No one is attacking the Roman Catholic church. In fact, I specifically said their dogma which has their origins in Babylonian polytheism. Also, I stated that im not condemning anyone in my previous post and stated verbatim that even in their own documents they state there will be a corrupt pope to rise up. The Catholic church lost all their lands and possession in the 18th century and regained a vast amount when they won their court cases in the 1960s. The Vatican is the richest nation in the entire world, to say their influence is dwindling is entirely false. Moreover, increasing catholic population in South America, Africa and Asia. The Church is also becoming popular as it entangles with the secular world. So you claim is false.

Again, no one is saying Isalm isnt blasphemous but so is large aspects of Catholicism due to its roots rooted in Babylonian polytheism. No one said Islam wasnt blasphemous and that wasnt even the issue at hand, thats a strawman argument. The aspect of whether we agree or not is moot at this point because ive stated before were going to agree to disagree. You just continue to be immature regarding the issue.

The Pope thinks he is G-d incarnate, that clearly not bible. Mormons believe in Jesus as well, they also believe that you have different levels of heaven according to your race and blacks are in Lesser heaven.
Jehovah witnesses also believe in Jesus but they also think he is an Archangel. So clearly I was referring to their doctrine and not their people.


Youre using "mathematics" and a faulty timeline instead of using the actual time line G-d gave after Israel was delivered from Egypt, which he stated will be in place forever. G-d also said that the feast days (Lev 23.) would be be signs of his return, which you've for some reason jettisoned as well in your hypothesis because youve never studied Torah, which is why you keep deflecting my questions.As a result, you resort to other tactics.  So while there are some aspect I agree with you, some I do not because its not sound and ive checked with very good sources. At this point, you can run around in circles by yourself  To conclude that you 100% know the events that are going to transpire in the future is utterly unheard of. Eschatology is purely events that we know nothing of and is just speculation, while we know some aspect, no one knows everything.   Considering it says no man will know the day or the hour, which you dont even know what that even means.

 Interesting how the four blood moons that occurred in biblical prophecy followed the the biblical timeline G-d established in the Exodus to the exact which included the feast days.
Interesting how they all fell on biblical feast days


I dont engage in fantasy infact the information I have posted is from rigorous research and writings from past and current Rabbis who have very sound doctrine, more knowledgeable than both of us. Which ive posted in other threads and you havent addressed because the Greek, Hebrew, history, archaeology show that you are incorrect.

Before you continue your Martin Luther rant against the Jews, might I remind you that Yeshua was a Jew as was Paul, his disciples and Jon, who wrote down his vision all followed Torah and created a council that is nothing like the modern day church or its new doctrine.
This is my second time telling you. You will not sit here and slander me.

I only look at the original sources and Torah, not replacement theology  because that is what Yeshua, who was a Rabbi said to do.       

Good day.
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