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Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« on: July 11, 2010, 07:30:37 AM »
When Mohammed's character is exposed as revealed through the Muslims own books, Muslims will generally try to explain away his behavior as "that's not a genuine accepted hadith" and such, as in this example
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1482.msg6418#msg6418

However the very reciters to which they refer like Ishaq and Tabari were not only the earliest chroniclers that lived closest to Mohammed's stint on earth, from which later chroniclers lifted their work, but they were also the ones that created the Islamic fictional history, that - stunningly - all Muslims still ascribe to today.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1177.0

But let's look at this subject through accepted Hadith and the Quran.

Quran Sura 33:50-51 "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war ...
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=456.0
Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1528.msg5864#msg5864
Sahih Muslim Book 8:3431: "It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified (of menses or delivery) in case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive.

It doesn't take a genius to understand that NO WOMAN would DESIRE to be raped by the very persons responsible for slaughtering her husband, father and/or sons, and selling her mother, sisters and/or daughters off into slavery.
Indeed Mohammed was just as prophesied by Daniel.
Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women....
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/women_in_islam.htm

Mohammed claiming for himself those like Rayhana bt. Amr, Safiyah and Juwairiya.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1528.msg5117#msg5117
http://faithfreedom.org/challenge/rapist.htm
http://www.islam-watch.org/Larry/Muhammad-Massacres-and-Sex-slaves.htm

In an effort to excuse away Mohammed's reprobate behavior, some Muslims actually try to suggest that this rape of captives and selling them into slavery, after slaughtering their husbands, fathers and sons, would be more "humane" than leaving them behind.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=466.msg6426#msg6426

However as in the case of the Qurayza for example, would the women and children, rather be raped and pressed into continuing sexual slavery by some reprobate, or sold off into slavery, or might they rather be left behind to struggle, along with their remaining 10 year old and younger sons, tending to the dates, camels and other crops that their hard working, then beheaded/slaughtered, husbands, fathers and older sons had established?

But then, of course, that certainly wouldn't have been an option because Mohammed's primary goal was the theft of all of the property of those hard working Jews, and the money he could receive by selling them off into slavery, let alone the sexual gratification that he and his boys enjoyed through the rape of the women and children. Their property, women and children to be divided up among Mohammed and his boys, with Mohammed even cutting himself in for 1/5 of the action, just like a Mafia Don.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=951.0

Of course in Muslim controlled countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan a person can be killed for even bringing a subject like this up for discussion because Islam has never been able to stand the light of truth.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1435.0
The same reason that Muslims that come to know the one true God through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, are killed as "apostates".
http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=88d267dba53d454cb1ed
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm
The same reason Bibles are banned in Muslim countries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL4upLajJSc

But does that prevent you from seeing the truth today, as bequeathed to us through Islam's own books, our Muslim could-become brethren?
So far the UN does not control internet content.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=un+blasphemy+law&aq=0&aqi=g2&aql=&oq=un+blasph&gs_rfai=Cd6U6x6o5TKagIpXcygSf2ITwAQAAAKoEBU_Qde5m&fp=cbfdba0083fffc9e

There is still time to seek out the truth, but I don't believe that opportunity will last much longer, once the Muslims are placed in charge of internet content, being appointed the sole arbiters of what constitutes "blasphemy" against their "prophet". U.N. or not, you could die in the next few moments. Are you prepared to stand before our judge?

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Do you really believe a good God's "paradise" would amount to a chicken and wine serving bordello, providing multiple virgins to defile, like the children Mohammed and his boys defiled here on earth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL4upLajJSc

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=mohammed+rapist&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CUXllQ685TO3QNJHuzASm9qyBBgAAAKoEBU_QSPBb&fp=cbfdba0083fffc9e

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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2010, 10:43:09 AM »
SHOW ME ONE ACCUSATION AGAINST MUHAMMAD IN HIS TIME AS A PROPHET!!!!!!!!!

YOU ARROGANT CHILD< LET ME TEACH YOU:

WHO ARE YOU THAT YOU CAN ACCUSE A MAN, A PROPHET OF ALLAH THAT ACCEPTS NABI EESA IS BORN FROM A VIRGIN BIRTH, ACKNOWLEDGING AND PROVIDING YOU WITH AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHAT HOLY SPIRIT IS, ANNOUNCED THAT NABI EESA IS THE MESSIAH AND WHO PROCLAIMED THAT HE WILL COME AGAIN TO ANNOUNCE THE TRUTH AND TO FIGHT THE ANTI-CHRIST,

YOU DARE MAKE SUCH AVILE STATEMENT BASED ON YOUR LIMITED IGNORANT VIEW OF THE GREATEST PERSONALITY ALLAH HAS SENT TO EARTH,

THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION THIS IS A FALSE ACCUSATION AND AN ATTEMPT AT CHARACTER ASSASSINATION FROM ACOWARD LIKE YOURSELF

YOU A COWARD AS YOU ARE NOT TELLING THE WHOLE STORY, RELATE THE ENTIRE STORY OF THE BATTLES AND THE MANNER INWHICH THE REVELATION CAME TO MUHAMMAD AND PUT THE VERSES IN CONTEXT

THEN WE COULD POSSIBLY DISCUS YOUR UNDOUNDED FEARS AND PREJUDICE!!!!!!!!

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It doesn't take a genius to understand that NO WOMAN would DESIRE to be raped by the very persons responsible for slaughtering her husband, father and/or sons, and selling her mother, sisters and/or daughters off into slavery.
Indeed Mohammed was just as prophesied by Daniel.
Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women....
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/women_in_islam.htm
BRING EVIDENCE THEY WERE RAPED
only if you arrogant and ascribe your western civilisation values to the 6th century conditions and jump to conclusions
HOW WERE ALL WOMAN TREATED AT THE TIME? by everyone?
It is abundantly clear that, girls were buried alive, woman traded and sold and abused acrossed the Arabian peninsula, Very beautiful woman would give themselves to ten men or more and decide by the birth of a child who the strongest seed is.

YOUR ARGUMENT LACKS AUTHENTICITY!!!! IT IS FOR THE FEEBLE MINDED

I SHOULD ACTUALLY POST THE ENTIRE HISTORY HERE BUT I AM SURE YOU SEND IT TO SPAM LIKE MOST OF MY ANSWERS.
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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2010, 10:53:29 AM »
HOW WERE ALL WOMAN TREATED AT THE TIME? by everyone?
It is abundantly clear that, girls were buried alive, woman traded and sold and abused acrossed the Arabian peninsula, Very beautiful woman would give themselves to ten men or more and decide by the birth of a child who the strongest seed is.

What you meant to ask is "HOW WERE ALL MUSLIM WOMEN TREATED AT THE TIME?"

The answer of course is not a lot differently than Muslim women are treated today. You mentioned "girls were buried alive"
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1040.0



Let alone stoning.



Or an innocent little child being given by one family to another family, to abuse and torture for years, because of transgressions of a member of the first family.
http://www.rawa.org/samia.htm



And of course women were captured, traded and sold, in Islamic countries right up until they, technically, banned slavery in the 1960s and even as late as the 1980s (but only because of outside pressure, certainly NOT because it isn't sanctioned by Mohammedanism). But it's still practiced in the Islamic world today.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=456.0



And rape of captives is still practiced by Muslims today.
"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/may/21.26.html

Without question the Christian and Jewish women weren't treated as you describe Muslims were and are. Here's why.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

And Islam?

Sura 2:223 your wives are as tilth (farmland) unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/women_in_islam.htm

Sura (4:34) - Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wife+beating+islam&aq=f


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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2010, 09:26:07 AM »
SHOW ME ONE ACCUSATION AGAINST MUHAMMAD IN HIS TIME AS A PROPHET!!!!!!!!!

An accusation doesn't have to be lodged against someone in order for them to be guilty of something. The record of Mohammed speaks for itself as aptly shown in the original post and Islam's historical record.


YOU ARROGANT CHILD< LET ME TEACH YOU:

WHO ARE YOU THAT YOU CAN ACCUSE A MAN, A PROPHET OF ALLAH THAT ACCEPTS NABI EESA IS BORN FROM A VIRGIN BIRTH, ACKNOWLEDGING AND PROVIDING YOU WITH AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHAT HOLY SPIRIT IS, ......

Your confusion makes it apparent that he certainly botched that job.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1225.msg6580#msg6580

..... ANNOUNCED THAT NABI EESA IS THE MESSIAH AND WHO PROCLAIMED THAT HE WILL COME AGAIN TO ANNOUNCE THE TRUTH AND TO FIGHT THE ANTI-CHRIST,

But you have that backwards. Mohammed and his people ARE antichrist. They fight against God's people.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2010, 09:32:43 AM »

YOU DARE MAKE SUCH AVILE STATEMENT BASED ON YOUR LIMITED IGNORANT VIEW OF THE GREATEST PERSONALITY ALLAH HAS SENT TO EARTH,

http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0
Mohammed was a false prophet, teaching the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him...
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=628.0

THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION THIS IS A FALSE ACCUSATION AND AN ATTEMPT AT CHARACTER ASSASSINATION FROM ACOWARD LIKE YOURSELF

I'm sorry, but in order to suggest that mine is a false accusation you would have to hold that a woman, like Rayhana bt. Amr, whose husband and father had been beheaded along with the rest of the men and boys of her village, would then DESIRE to have sex with the very person responsible for her loved ones slaughter.

Surely you can see the preposterous nature of any suggestion like that.

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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2010, 04:36:00 PM »
Re: Mohammed the Rapist
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Quote from: AnnaMuslim on July 11, 2010, 08:43:09 AM

YOU DARE MAKE SUCH AVILE STATEMENT BASED ON YOUR LIMITED IGNORANT VIEW OF THE GREATEST PERSONALITY ALLAH HAS SENT TO EARTH,

http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0
Mohammed was a false prophet, teaching the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him...
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=628.0

Quote from: AnnaMuslim on July 11, 2010, 08:43:09 AM
THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION THIS IS A FALSE ACCUSATION AND AN ATTEMPT AT CHARACTER ASSASSINATION FROM ACOWARD LIKE YOURSELF

I'm sorry, but in order to suggest that mine is a false accusation you would have to hold that a woman, like Rayhana bt. Amr, whose husband and father had been beheaded along with the rest of the men and boys of her village, would then DESIRE to have sex with the very person responsible for her loved ones slaughter.

Surely you can see the preposterous nature of any suggestion like that.

WHAT IS MORE PREPOSTEROUS IS THAT YOU PROJECT YOUR 21st CENTURY, HIGHLY INDOCTRINATED OPINION OF MORALITY ONTO a 6th CENTURY WOMAN. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT CONDITIONS WERE HOLYWOOD STYLED??

WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO PROJECT MORALS ONTO THAT PERIOD OR WOMAN WITHOUT HER PERMISSION NOLESS< YOU ARE ACCUSING THE WOMAN OF BEING RAPED!!! A JEWISH WOMAN RAYHANA BT AMR WAS RAPED "HOW DOES THAT SOUND AS MEMORY OF HER: WAS SHE REPEATEDLY RAPED?? HOW MANY MEN RAPED HER?? AND WAS HER CHILDREN WATCHING??

ARE THESE YOUR QUESTIONS?? YOU WORSE THAN A CATHOLIC PRIEST AT CONFESSION WITH A 17 YEAR OLD!!!!

I saw a movie helen of Troy, very interesting suggestion when a Princess or Priestess is captured and falls in love with Achilles, the killer of her Priests and desecrator of her temple. I suppose it only happens in mythology nay the movies???






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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2010, 06:27:33 PM »
WHAT IS MORE PREPOSTEROUS IS THAT YOU PROJECT YOUR 21st CENTURY, HIGHLY INDOCTRINATED OPINION OF MORALITY ONTO a 6th CENTURY WOMAN. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT CONDITIONS WERE HOLYWOOD STYLED??

WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO PROJECT MORALS ONTO THAT PERIOD OR WOMAN WITHOUT HER PERMISSION NOLESS< YOU ARE ACCUSING THE WOMAN OF BEING RAPED!!!

I see. So you actually believe that back in the 7th century, a married woman that was taken prisoner, and whose husband was still alive somewhere, would DESIRE to have sex with the person that captured her and took her away from her husband.

A 7th century Jewish woman whose husband and father were beheaded in front of her, would perhaps actually ENJOY having sex with the very man responsible for slaughtering them.

You've done a very good job of illustrating the sociopathic nature of the male Muslim mind. An absolute inability to see the world through the eyes of another person. Particularly in regard to women, since Mohammed's cult was designed for men, satiating he and his fellow conquerors lustful desires. Even in Mohammed's preposterous notion of his fleshly "paradise".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL4upLajJSc
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=264.0

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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2010, 10:32:52 AM »
A JEWISH WOMAN RAYHANA BT AMR WAS RAPED "HOW DOES THAT SOUND AS MEMORY OF HER: WAS SHE REPEATEDLY RAPED??

Every time Mohammed took her to bed she was raped. Do you actually believe she would DESIRE to have sex with the guy responsible for the beheading of her husband and father???

Most accounts suggest she even refused to accept Islam, and preferred to follow her Jewish faith, and therefore had to remain his concubine.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1528.msg5117#msg5117

HOW MANY MEN RAPED HER?? AND WAS HER CHILDREN WATCHING??

Any children she had would have already been sold into slavery, along with the rest of the children in her village, to finance camels and swords so Mohammed could slaughter more Jews.

ARE THESE YOUR QUESTIONS?? YOU WORSE THAN A CATHOLIC PRIEST AT CONFESSION WITH A 17 YEAR OLD!!!!

Actually the Catholic Church is so apostate they don't condemn Mohammed's religion, but instead try to apologize for it, because that church occupies a glass house.

I saw a movie helen of Troy, very interesting suggestion when a Princess or Priestess is captured and falls in love with Achilles, the killer of her Priests and desecrator of her temple. I suppose it only happens in mythology nay the movies???

This portion speaks volumes for itself.

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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2010, 11:23:05 AM »
Does you hatred and bitterness have no end, again I urge You, to leave out you opinion and synopsis of situations, bring evidence of RAPE and MURDER and Pillaging, NOT ACCUSATIONS MADE BY A 21st century MUSHRIHK that is following a book while he has no idea who the author is.

THE BIBLE WAS AUTHORED BY HUMAN BEINGS < NOT PROPHETS< WRITTEN AS BOOKS OF AND BY< IT IS LITTLE WONDER THAT THE ENTIRE CHRISTONDOM IS SO CORRUPTED AND AGAINST GOD ALMIGHTY"S LAW> THE CRUSADE IS AGAINST GOD HIMSELF> THAT IS WHY IT IS VERY ESY FOR YOU TO DEFAM< TELL LIES< INNOVATE< FALL PREY TO FALSE CONJECTURING WITHOUT AS MUCH AS REPSECT FOR YOURSELF LET ALONE YOUR OWN HISTORY OR BOOK!

THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS NOTHING BUT FALSE ACCUSATIONS BASED ON FALSE ASSUMPTIONS.

HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW THE CULTURE OF A JEWISH CAPTIVE WOMAN IN ARABIA.

HOW COULD A FREE MAN UNDERSTAND THE SLAVERY OF THE SOUTH> HOW COULD THE SLAVES STAY on and be so EXPLOITED FOR SO LONG AFTER Slavery was abolished IN MISSISSIPPI.

HOW CAN PEOPLE STILL DISCRIMINATE AGAINST OTHERS TO THIS DAY.

OPEN EYES PETER AND SEE THE TRUTH NOT YOUR OWN FOOLISH NOTIONS>
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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2010, 01:41:08 PM »
THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS NOTHING BUT FALSE ACCUSATIONS BASED ON FALSE ASSUMPTIONS.

HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW THE CULTURE OF A JEWISH CAPTIVE WOMAN IN ARABIA.

Sure! All 7th century Arabian Jewish women liked to have sex with the pagans that beheaded their husbands and fathers and sold their mothers and children off into slavery.

You have provided a perfect testament into the mind of a male Muslim for all to see, and I want you to know how much I appreciate that you provided that for all your Muslim brethren lurking here, that are beginning to understand what Mohammedanism really was and will remain, for as long as men continue to be deceived by Satan through the false prophet Mohammed.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rape+in+islam&aq=f

"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm

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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2010, 03:18:34 PM »
Does you hatred and bitterness have no end, again I urge You, to leave out you opinion and synopsis of situations, bring evidence of RAPE and MURDER and Pillaging, NOT ACCUSATIONS MADE BY A 21st century MUSHRIHK that is following a book while he has no idea who the author is.

THE BIBLE WAS AUTHORED BY HUMAN BEINGS < NOT PROPHETS< WRITTEN AS BOOKS OF AND BY< IT IS LITTLE WONDER THAT THE ENTIRE CHRISTONDOM IS SO CORRUPTED AND AGAINST GOD ALMIGHTY"S LAW> THE CRUSADE IS AGAINST GOD HIMSELF> THAT IS WHY IT IS VERY ESY FOR YOU TO DEFAM< TELL LIES< INNOVATE< FALL PREY TO FALSE CONJECTURING WITHOUT AS MUCH AS REPSECT FOR YOURSELF LET ALONE YOUR OWN HISTORY OR BOOK!

But as I repeatedly point out the Crusades were carried out contrary to Scripture and Christianity as revealed through the Gospel.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Indeed we have a whole forum section devoted to the Roman Church and some of those atrocities and it's parallels with Islam explored.

The point of this thread is to show that Mohammed's rape pillage and plunder was sanctioned by his phony Allah, as clearly shown through the Quran and Hadith in the original post, and in subsequent posts we can see it remains in effect for true fundamental Muslims that GET Islam, unto this day.

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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2010, 03:21:29 PM »
HOW COULD A FREE MAN UNDERSTAND THE SLAVERY OF THE SOUTH> ........

Through the historical record in combination with a regenerated heart and relationship with Jesus Christ.
And so good of you to bring up this excellent and perfectly parallel example.
Do you believe the captive women in the south DESIRED to have sex with their slave masters, any more than the captive women of Arabia DESIRED to have sex with Mohammed and his boys after being captured and sexually enslaved?
Do you honestly believe they enjoyed and looked forward to that?

......... HOW COULD THE SLAVES STAY on and be so EXPLOITED FOR SO LONG AFTER Slavery was abolished IN MISSISSIPPI.

HOW CAN PEOPLE STILL DISCRIMINATE AGAINST OTHERS TO THIS DAY.

OPEN EYES PETER AND SEE THE TRUTH NOT YOUR OWN FOOLISH NOTIONS>

Whose eyes are closed? You've provided an excellent Mohammedan male example, for all to see, my friend.

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women.....

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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2010, 08:51:54 AM »
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Do you believe the captive women in the south DESIRED to have sex with their slave masters, any more than the captive women of Arabia DESIRED to have sex with Mohammed and his boys after being captured and sexually enslaved?
Do you honestly believe they enjoyed and looked forward to that?

It is not what I believe it is fact that there were many Slave and Master relationships

Editorial Notebook: Thomas Jefferson and 'Dashing Sally'; In Love - or Just Master and Slave?
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If it is true that books and newspapers reach the afterlife, then Thomas Jefferson, voracious reader, is surely having a fitful time in that great Monticello in the sky. From the right, the Jeffersonian declaration that "all men are created equal" is under heavy attack from neo-Victorian elitists. From the tattered remnant that remains of the left, both Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence are derided as hypocritical on the grounds that Jefferson owned slaves.

Historians are right to dismiss the charge because it applies contemporary standards to a man who lived two centuries ago. As the Jefferson scholar Douglas Wilson points out, the question of why Jefferson held slaves gets us nowhere. The more interesting question is: Why did a man who inherited slaves and a fortune dependent upon them, and who lived in a society that was inured to slavery, decide at an early age that slavery was morally wrong and forcefully declare that it ought to be abolished? The answer is that Jefferson was exceptional, ahead of his time -- but not completely free of it.

The defense that Jefferson was a man of his time functions well against the charge of hypocrisy. But it is no defense at all against the claim that Jefferson loved, and fathered five children by, a slave mistress named Sally Hemings, also known as "Dashing Sally," admired from Monticello to Paris as a great beauty. The liaison between the two was first asserted by a Jefferson enemy in the press. Nearly two centuries later, the historian Fawn Brodie wrote "Thomas Jefferson: An Intimate History," describing the relationship as "a serious passion" that lasted 38 years.

Sexual contact between slave women and their masters was notoriously common. (Historians tell us that Sally Hemings and Jefferson's wife were half-sisters, fathered by the same man. Imagine Jefferson, widowed and alone, close to a young and stunning version of his dead wife.) Plantation wives looked on in panic as slaves' children more and more resembled the master's own. In "New People: Miscegenation and Mulattoes in The United States," Joel Williamson says whole families fell over the color line, as slavery got "whiter and whiter."
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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2010, 09:08:53 AM »
The liaison between the two was first asserted by a Jefferson enemy in the press.

And so it continues by his enemies today. Even if your false accusations against Thomas Jefferson from liberal NY Times editorial writer and race obsessed psychology major Brent Staples were true, where in what you copy and pasted, does it suggest what a 13 year old Sally Hemmings DESIRED, of what your article falsely accuses Jefferson of wanting?

Do you see how you only made your hole deeper?
Now you are defending rape of slaves in the South, to justify Mohammed's rape of female prisoners.


More importantly, did Jefferson first - have Sally's husband and father brought before him and beheaded over a trench - prior to his fictional pressing her into a sexual relationship with him, the way Mohammed did Rayhana's husband and father before he raped her?

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.    2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,    3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good.....

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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2011, 05:21:46 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6X4CimVObE

@tehabc you still at the same point you still didn't prove anything of what ur saying , if you are egyptian and read it then prove what you are saying otherwise you are just wasting our time , i read mohamed's life. a wonderful man i hope i can be 10% like him , you still have nothing , i didn't spent 7 years in learing just quran it was part study, and i hope i would spend more for Quran :) , my english is not that good but at least i can self learn my brain , not just yap with 0% knowledge
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@MiZoSpaDe Sura 33:50-51 "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee ... those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war

      Bukhari:V5B59N459 ... Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"

      Muslim B8:3431: "It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman ... her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive.

      Prisoner rapists

      watch?v=V9FYYo5EINU
      PeteWaldo 12 hours ago


@PeteWaldo back to the bukhari hadith before judge read the defference between Concubinage and rapist , and the next one every war at this time i mean every war christian or muslims did the winner have profits , cause it's like this Assault - a battle - victory - captives - the invalidity of their marriage - owned - end , you should read about history and how wars was , and you should read about wars under the cross and how ugly they did , ps read all the comments , have fun ^^
      MiZoSpaDe 5 hours ago


@MiZoSpaD Difference between rape, and Muhammad's rape, is Muhammad declared that his alter-ego "Allah" approved of it. All you did was admit he was no different than any other filthy reprobate that raped women and stole property, as spoils of war.

      Abraham after vanquishing the Sodomites?

      Gen 14:23 That I will not [take] from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that [is] thine...

      brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=2075.0

      "Ugly" is defending filth

      watch?v=V9FYYo5EINU


@MiZoSpaDe The evil of the Roman Church crusades was specifically UNchristian. Here's how we can know that.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Is murder, rape and theft an expression of love for others?

brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=2363.0


@PeteWaldo actuly i just finished talking with a dude and we got nothing , and you seem more distracting than the other guy , first you use some fake verses and this make me trust 0% of your words , so why i should waste of time to search , and then now you come back and making the same mistake even when i repsond and asked you to read at least history , you didn't and came to the same stupid point , thx for the stupid sites that faked quran , you guys are evil you didn't even post a truth !! gl
MiZoSpaDe 1 minute ago


@MiZoSpaDe You see how you are reduced to provable false accusation and lies? Anyone can look up the Quran and Hadith verses because I provided the numbers. Like here

searchtruth. com/searchHadith. php

What you are really demonstrating is that even you are surprised that you have been indoctrinated into following a murdering, prisoner raping, thief, as revealed through your own books. Likely the most evil terrorist reprobate in human history.

Islam isn't even a religion.

watch?v=ujUOZyrnewE
PeteWaldo 1 minute ago


@PeteWaldo bro you faked a verse !!!! did you really believe that someone like me with my sitiuation could ever trust in 1% of your words ???? why i should even look up while i already did and found that you are lying , every time i will respond you will come with something stupid and new , you can easly found a response to every thing you claim , and i can produce it , but i'm just finished here , you end it with you LIE before you start it , there is nothing could make me contin with a LIAR !
MiZoSpaDe 52 minutes ago
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Then later by PM

http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=456.0

Because you follow the father of lies - Satan - through his false prophoet Muhammad, lying and falsely accusing people comes as naturally to you as breathing.
But you and I both know that all you could do is repeat your false accusation and lie against me, because you couldn't defend Muhammad. You see I was simply the messenger of your own books.
I was limited to 50 characters in the video. Here are the same verses from

Hadith search
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php
Quran search
http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php

Quran Sura 33:50-51 "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war ...
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=456.0
Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1528.msg5864#msg5864
Sahih Muslim Book 8:3431: "It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified (of menses or delivery) in case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive.

http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=456.0

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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2013, 07:42:50 AM »
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

(1) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.  (Book #34, Hadith #432)

Muhammad discouraging them from not completing the sex act and allowing what "Allah" destined to exist to come to be. Their only concern perhaps being whether a pregnant captive would fetch a different price than one that was not pregnant. His true followers today taking his advice:

"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm

(2) Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I saw Abu Said and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said said, "We went with Allah's Apostle, in the Ghazwa of Barli Al-Mustaliq and we captured some of the 'Arabs as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to practice coitus interruptus. We asked Allah's Apostle (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you not to do so. No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence."  (Book #46, Hadith #718)

(3) Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."  (Book #59, Hadith #459)

(4) Narrated Jabir: We used to practice coitus interrupt us during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle .  (Book #62, Hadith #135)

(5) Narrated Jabir: We used to practice coitus interrupt us while the Quran was being revealed. Jabir added: We used to practice coitus interrupt us during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle while the Quran was being Revealed.  (Book #62, Hadith #136)

(6) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."  (Book #62, Hadith #137)

(7) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That while he was sitting with the Prophet a man from the Ansar came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get slave girls from the war captives and we love property; what do you think about coitus interruptus?" Allah's Apostle said, "Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it, for there is no soul which Allah has ordained to come into existence but will be created."  (Book #77, Hadith #600)

(8) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That during the battle with Bani Al-Mustaliq they (Muslims) captured some females and intended to have sexual relation with them without impregnating them. So they asked the Prophet about coitus interrupt us. The Prophet said, "It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection." Qaza'a said, "I heard Abu Sa'id saying that the Prophet said, 'No soul is ordained to be created but Allah will create it."  (Book #93, Hadith #506)

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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2013, 03:45:50 PM »
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=intercourse+captive&translator=2&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

(1) Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.  (Book #008, Hadith #3371)

(2) Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).  (Book #008, Hadith #3432)

(3) Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) sent a small army. The rest of the hadith is the same except this that he said: Except what your right hands possessout of them are lawful for you; and he did not mention" when their 'idda period comes to an end". This hadith has been reported on the authority of AbuSa'id (al-Khudri) (Allah be pleased with him) through another chain of transmitters and the words are: They took captives (women) on the day of Autas who had their husbands. They were afraid (to have sexual intercourse with them) when this verse was revealed:" And women already married except those whom you right hands posses" (iv. 24)  (Book #008, Hadith #3433)


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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2016, 01:43:28 PM »
FROM SAHIH BUKHARI - VOLUME 5, #637:  Narrated Buraida:  The prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (part of the war booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave girl from the Khumus).  I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?  When we reached the prophet I mentioned that to him.  He said, "O Buraida!  Do you hate Ali?"  I said, "Yes."  He said, "Do you hate him for he deserves more than that from the Khumus."

FROM SAHIH MUSLIM, VOLUME 2, #3371  Abu Sirma said to Abu Said al Khudri:  "O Abu Said, did you hear Allah's messenger mentioning about al-azl (coitus interruptus)?"  He said, "Yes", and added:  "We went out with Allah's messenger on the expedition to the Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them.  So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing azl" (withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception).  But we said:  "We are doing an act whereas Allah's messenger is amongst us; why not ask him?"  So we asked Allah's messenger and he said:  "It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born".

FROM SAHIH MUSLIM, VOLUME 2, #3432  Abu Said al-Khudri reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them.  Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's messenger seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists.  Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:  "And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (Quran - 4:24), (i.e. they were lawful for them when their Idda (menstrual) period came to an end).

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/femalecaptives.htm

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Re: Mohammed On Female Captives & Slaves
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2017, 11:22:41 AM »
Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.