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Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2012, 02:02:55 PM »
To answer your question Plainly every Christian will tell you there is only One God and that One God is made up of three parts, THAT IS BLASPHEMY AND THE GREATEST OF ALL SINS YES IT IS ASCRIBING PARTNERS TO GOD, (SHIRK)

Do you believe Muhammad's "Allah" has a spirit, or was Muhammad lying?

Sura 32.9: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!

Exd 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Sura 15.29: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=174.0

YES ALLAH BREATHED OF HIS SPIRIT INTO NABI ADAM, AND SENT ANGEL GABRIEL TO PLACE IT INTO THE WOMB OF MARY

So you're saying that Jesus was only a spirit?

< JUST LIKE IT IS WITHIN ALL OF US

Just like, eigh? So you're saying that our mothers conceived us, not by an act of our dads, but by God?

Do you know what the spirit is? When you Say SPIRIT YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE SPIRIT IS THE COMMAND OF ALLAH: AMR

You are just trying to pretend you are not guilty of the same blasphemy that you accuse Christians of! Your "Allah" said OF HIS SPIRIT. So he has a spirit. That's the same that Jews and Christians believe about the one true God of the scriptures.

If "spirit" means "command" then why is the term "command" used 129 times, in 120 verses, in the Quran???!!!!
http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=command&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

You're biggest problem in understanding the trinity, is that Muhammad was so ignorant he understood that Christians believed Mary was part of the "trinity"!

Surah 5:116 - And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?"

Just as Muhammad's satanic verses in which he tried to be inclusive of the Quraish pagans by adding, along with the moon god "Allah", "Allat" the sun goddess his wife, and Uzza and Manat that were planet daughters of Allah and Allat:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2274.0


"And they ask you about the soul(SPIRIT/ RUH). Say: The soul (RUH/ SPIRIT) is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little."
Quraan: Sura, Al Isra' Ch 17 Ayat 85

WHAT IS A SPIRIT?

It is what the one true God of the scriptures imparts into His people as you can see from the Old Testament verse that I quoted. Also from the Gospel.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2999.0

It's what makes the one true God's people, His temple.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm

Another spirit is the spirit of antichrist, that Satan imparts into his people. A spirit that makes Satan's followers engage in such things as imperialistic mass murder, female prisoner rape, modern day slavery, terrorism and the theft of the property of others.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0
A spirit that would cause someone to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and reject the love of the one true God, expressed therein.
It is a lying spirit that would cause someone to say that the Gospel was lost, or corrupted.
A spirit that would cause someone to deny the Son of God and reject His blood that would save them.

YOU ARGUING WITH ABSURDITIES:

YOUR QUESTIONS ARE ABSURD AND YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION

WHAT IS A "SPIRIT" OR WHAT IS "THE SPIRIT" OR MORE DIRECTLY WHAT IS THE "SPIRIT OF GOD" ACCORDING TO YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE NICEAN COUNCIL DOCTRINES

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Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2012, 02:26:01 PM »

"And they ask you about the soul(SPIRIT/ RUH). Say: The soul (RUH/ SPIRIT) is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little."
Quraan: Sura, Al Isra' Ch 17 Ayat 85

WHAT IS A SPIRIT?

It is what the one true God of the scriptures imparts into His people as you can see from the Old Testament verse that I quoted. Also from the Gospel.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2999.0

It's what makes the one true God's people, His temple.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm

Another spirit is the spirit of antichrist, that Satan imparts into his people. A spirit that makes Satan's followers engage in such things as imperialistic mass murder, female prisoner rape, modern day slavery, terrorism and the theft of the property of others.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0
A spirit that would cause someone to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and reject the love of the one true God, expressed therein.
It is a lying spirit that would cause someone to say that the Gospel was lost, or corrupted.
A spirit that would cause someone to deny the Son of God and reject His blood that would save them.

YOU ARGUING WITH ABSURDITIES:

YOUR QUESTIONS ARE ABSURD AND YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION

WHAT IS A "SPIRIT" OR WHAT IS "THE SPIRIT" OR MORE DIRECTLY WHAT IS THE "SPIRIT OF GOD" ACCORDING TO YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE NICEAN COUNCIL DOCTRINES

The Spirit of God has nothing to do with Nicea, and everything to do with how God revealed His Spirit through Old and New Testament scripture. Your question was already asked and answered, in great detail, in the text of, and on the links provided in, the very post you quoted. You've reduced yourself to being capable of nothing more dithering on and wasting our mutual time. Your blasphemous, antichrist, Muhammadan foolishness, was all destroyed by the preceding posts. That's because you follow the father of lies through his prophet Muhammad, the antichrist who proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Start with my very first reply above, and reply to each detail, of each of all my posts, beginning with the post at this link.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14245#msg14245
Shorter answers are better, as you can see what a massive hole you dig for yourself, when you complicated your posts with several points. Quote each post, then remove everything between the very top tag and the very bottom tag except for the sentence or paragraph you are answering to - DO NOT LEAVE ANY OTHER TAGS. Since Muhammad and his band of cutthroat thieves took us all out of the dark ages, you should be able to handle that, shouldn't you?

If you can't engage constructively I'll offer you a 30 day time off, during which you can review our chat, and come up with constructive questions. Better yet, why don't you take the opportunity to read the Gospel?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

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Re: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2012, 07:16:40 AM »
It's time to focus on a single thread at a time Muj. Do not post in multiple threads as the off-topic redundancy is time wasting. I received no reply to the questions in this post, posted on two occasions over two weeks, and until I do your posts on all other threads will be split off and collected in spam. Regarding the topic of "shirk" I asked:

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?

 
1. ACCORDING TO ALL THE PROPHETS OF GOD IF ANYONE SAYS THAT GOD CAN GIVE BIRTH TO HIMSELF THEN TELL A LIE THAT HE IS ACTUALLY THE SON OF GOD THEN HE IS COMMITTING THE GREATEST SIN OF ALL.

Just because you are willing to spew a blasphemous lie doesn't mean it will magically come true. The Son of God was specifically prophesied in the Old Testament:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=611.0

WORST OF ALL YOU SAY THAT HE DIED AND ROSE AGAIN LIKE ITS A MIRACLE AND HE DID NOT DEMONSTRATE THAT HE CAN BRING THE DEAD TO LIFE SO WHY NOT HIMSELF. I DONT THINK THE NICEAN COUNCIL THOUGHT THIS THROUGH WELL ENOUGH TO BE CONVINCING TO A BELIEVER IN GOD.

2. TO BE ABLE TO RAPE AN INNOCENT GIRL LIKE MANY AMERICANS DO .......

You mean like your own prophet did when he defiled Aisha at the tender age of 9 years old.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=769.0

Or the female captives that Muhammad and his boys raped.

Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"
http://brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

....... CHECK THE LATEST RAPE STATS: ONE HAS TO BE DEVOID OF ANY BELIEF OR MORALS AND THEREFORE CAPABLE OF ANY GRUESOME ACT. HOWEVER YOUR ANALOGY HOLDS NO GROUND WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROPHET OR THE PEOPLE THAT DIED IN ORDER FOR GODS RELIGION TO BE ESTABLISHED ON EARTH.

And there you have it folks. Satan's people justifying Muhammad and his boys mass murder, rape and theft of the property of God's people, because the Jews refused to prostrate themselves to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and pray in the name of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah".

Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:30 "The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal of mine, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."

AFTER ALL IF YOU SAY A SON OF GOD (ALLAH FORGIVE ME) CAN BE SACRIFICED FOR THE GREATER GOOD .........

None of this is about what I say. It's the whole subject of the bible. It is everything:

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.
 
During the new covenant ushered in by the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, the Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus prophesied His own crucifixion, death and resurrection, and the purpose of it.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

......... THEN WHAT ARE THE DEATHS OF MERE MORTALS COMPARED TO THAT?

Not sure what you are asking, but I can help you out about your rejecting the blood of the Lamb of God that would otherwise save you, and where it got your phony "prophet":

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Rev 20:10    And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2012, 09:00:01 AM »
Muj please follow these instructions, and catch up with points you missed, before posting in this or any other section of the forum.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14254#msg14254

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Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2012, 04:56:32 PM »

"And they ask you about the soul(SPIRIT/ RUH). Say: The soul (RUH/ SPIRIT) is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little."
Quraan: Sura, Al Isra' Ch 17 Ayat 85

WHAT IS A SPIRIT?

It is what the one true God of the scriptures imparts into His people as you can see from the Old Testament verse that I quoted. Also from the Gospel.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2999.0

It's what makes the one true God's people, His temple.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm

Another spirit is the spirit of antichrist, that Satan imparts into his people. A spirit that makes Satan's followers engage in such things as imperialistic mass murder, female prisoner rape, modern day slavery, terrorism and the theft of the property of others.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0
A spirit that would cause someone to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and reject the love of the one true God, expressed therein.
It is a lying spirit that would cause someone to say that the Gospel was lost, or corrupted.
A spirit that would cause someone to deny the Son of God and reject His blood that would save them.

YOU ARGUING WITH ABSURDITIES:

YOUR QUESTIONS ARE ABSURD AND YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION

WHAT IS A "SPIRIT" OR WHAT IS "THE SPIRIT" OR MORE DIRECTLY WHAT IS THE "SPIRIT OF GOD" ACCORDING TO YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE NICEAN COUNCIL DOCTRINES

The Spirit of God has nothing to do with Nicea, and everything to do with how God revealed His Spirit through Old and New Testament scripture. Your question was already asked and answered, in great detail, in the text of, and on the links provided in, the very post you quoted. You've reduced yourself to being capable of nothing more dithering on and wasting our mutual time. Your blasphemous, antichrist, Muhammadan foolishness, was all destroyed by the preceding posts. That's because you follow the father of lies through his prophet Muhammad, the antichrist who proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Start with my very first reply above, and reply to each detail, of each of all my posts, beginning with the post at this link.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14245#msg14245
Shorter answers are better, as you can see what a massive hole you dig for yourself, when you complicated your posts with several points. Quote each post, then remove everything between the very top tag and the very bottom tag except for the sentence or paragraph you are answering to - DO NOT LEAVE ANY OTHER TAGS. Since Muhammad and his band of cutthroat thieves took us all out of the dark ages, you should be able to handle that, shouldn't you?

If you can't engage constructively I'll offer you a 30 day time off, during which you can review our chat, and come up with constructive questions. Better yet, why don't you take the opportunity to read the Gospel?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

I have read the Bible and the Scripture it appears that you have trouble understanding simple questions:

 where in the BIBLE (Biblios in Greek, Book in English) does it state what the SPIRIT is.

ALL THIS TIME YOU HAVE NEVER ASKED YOURSELF WHAT IS THE SPIRIT? IS IT ENERGY? IS IT A FORCE OR A LIGHT, IF IT IS FROM GOD THEN DID GOD CREATE A DARK SPIRIT (DONT FORGET THAT GOD IS THE CREATOR OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND MUHAMMAD AND SATAN).


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Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2012, 07:00:43 AM »

"And they ask you about the soul(SPIRIT/ RUH). Say: The soul (RUH/ SPIRIT) is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little."
Quraan: Sura, Al Isra' Ch 17 Ayat 85

WHAT IS A SPIRIT?

It is what the one true God of the scriptures imparts into His people as you can see from the Old Testament verse that I quoted. Also from the Gospel.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2999.0

It's what makes the one true God's people, His temple.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm

Another spirit is the spirit of antichrist, that Satan imparts into his people. A spirit that makes Satan's followers engage in such things as imperialistic mass murder, female prisoner rape, modern day slavery, terrorism and the theft of the property of others.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0
A spirit that would cause someone to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and reject the love of the one true God, expressed therein.
It is a lying spirit that would cause someone to say that the Gospel was lost, or corrupted.
A spirit that would cause someone to deny the Son of God and reject His blood that would save them.

YOU ARGUING WITH ABSURDITIES:

YOUR QUESTIONS ARE ABSURD AND YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION

WHAT IS A "SPIRIT" OR WHAT IS "THE SPIRIT" OR MORE DIRECTLY WHAT IS THE "SPIRIT OF GOD" ACCORDING TO YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE NICEAN COUNCIL DOCTRINES

The Spirit of God has nothing to do with Nicea, and everything to do with how God revealed His Spirit through Old and New Testament scripture. Your question was already asked and answered, in great detail, in the text of, and on the links provided in, the very post you quoted. You've reduced yourself to being capable of nothing more dithering on and wasting our mutual time. Your blasphemous, antichrist, Muhammadan foolishness, was all destroyed by the preceding posts. That's because you follow the father of lies through his prophet Muhammad, the antichrist who proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Start with my very first reply above, and reply to each detail, of each of all my posts, beginning with the post at this link.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14245#msg14245
Shorter answers are better, as you can see what a massive hole you dig for yourself, when you complicated your posts with several points. Quote each post, then remove everything between the very top tag and the very bottom tag except for the sentence or paragraph you are answering to - DO NOT LEAVE ANY OTHER TAGS. Since Muhammad and his band of cutthroat thieves took us all out of the dark ages, you should be able to handle that, shouldn't you?

If you can't engage constructively I'll offer you a 30 day time off, during which you can review our chat, and come up with constructive questions. Better yet, why don't you take the opportunity to read the Gospel?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

I have read the Bible and the Scripture it appears that you have trouble understanding simple questions:

Far from being a simple question, it is one that you cannot even expect to understand the answer to, unless and until you repent.

where in the BIBLE (Biblios in Greek, Book in English) does it state what the SPIRIT is.

Through ALL of the scriptures that are related to the Spirit. That's why I directed you to links to the verses, and examples in context. You follow Muhammad alone - in the exact opposite of the whole subject that those scriptures reveal - and have been taught to believe that the things of the Spirit of God should be as simple to understand as the child-like mind of a 7th century, SW Arabian desert dwelling pagan illiterate, could imagine and conceive. And God IS that simple to come into relationship with, but the things of the Spirit of God ARE NOT that simple, to understand. And your effort here to understand, what you will not be able to understand until you are OF the Spirit - believing you can think your way to God - is the exact opposite of the way to God:

Mar 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

THE WAY to God:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

As long as you continue to put your faith in what to DISbelief, you will not be able to come into relationship with Jesus Christ, unless and until you repent. You put your faith in DISbelieving the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and REJECTING the blood of the perfect and sinless Lamb of God that He shed for you, and DENYING the Son of God, to following Muhammad alone - a sinful, mass murdering, child doing, prisoner abusing, terrorist thief - by prostrating yourself to an Arabian pagan idol. Where does scripture indicate we should prostrate to an idol? Even you know that throughout scripture we learn the exact opposite, yet the spirit of antichrist - of the father of lies in you - causes you to persist. Here's why you will not be able to understand the things of the Spirit of God until you repent and become OF the Spirit, with the Holy Spirit IN you:

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

So I'm really wasting my time to even try to explain the things of the Spirit of God to you because you choose willful disobedience. I write here for the benefit of read-only participants who are coming to understand that a mass murdering, prisoner abusing thief, and prostrating to a pagan idol, are not the way, and are genuinely seeking truth. Everyone who asks to be shown the way, through a contrite spirit, in Jesus name, will be shown the way. This is why Satan through his prophet Muhammad, has made you believe you would be committing the only unforgivable sin, to pray in Jesus' name.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

ALL THIS TIME YOU HAVE NEVER ASKED YOURSELF ......

I don't need to ask myself, when I can turn to the scriptures, and be given understanding through the Spirit.

...... WHAT IS THE SPIRIT? IS IT ENERGY?

The Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, is God Himself. God strives with each and every one of us. His spirit is on everyone. This is how atheists and other antichrists, can still roughly tell the difference between right and wrong, whether they act on it or continue their disobedience. This is how the unrepentant, may eventually be convicted and brought into repentance, once they are ready to stop fighting against Jesus Christ. Through God's Spirit ON them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FelW46AGu4

Once we repent and begin a relationship with Jesus Christ He puts His Spirit IN us. Comforts and guides us in all truth. The longer we are in relationship with Him, the less sinful we become, and the more responsibility He assigns to us. Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, guides each one of His flock, into our own unique area of kingdom business. Each given our own unique gift.

I used to be a boozer who slept in as I could. Now I usually wake up spontaneously between 4 and 5 AM, like a kid on Christmas morning, looking to see what Santa put under the tree. Each morning my eyes pop open in excitement, to see who and what the Lord will and has placed in my path, for me to engage in. I am in the kingdom of God and consumed with the Lord's work, and the old things of this world, like boats and travel and vacation homes have become nothing more than inconveniences and distractions rather than pleasures.

The Holy Spirit is God IN us. We increasingly become one with God. God IN us and we IN Him:

1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

IS IT A FORCE OR A LIGHT, ......

God is the light of men, through the Spirit.

John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.   2  The same was in the beginning with God.    3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.    4  In him was life; and the life was the light of men.   5  And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.   6  There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John. (note: This is a reference to John the Baptist, not John the apostle who penned this book.)   The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe.    8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light.  9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.    10  He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.   11  He came unto his own, and his own received him not.   12  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:    13  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.    14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

.... IF IT IS FROM GOD THEN DID GOD CREATE A DARK SPIRIT (DONT FORGET THAT GOD IS THE CREATOR OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND MUHAMMAD AND SATAN).
and Alexander the Great and Hitler and Polpot and all of the other men that were driven by Satan to follow him through greed, lust and revenge, as Muhammad was.
We have all been born in original sin, ever since Adam's fall. This is why we need God's Spirit to strive with us to understand. Otherwise we would all be lost. This is why we need God's Spirit IN us - to be born again - in order to be saved from the second death. This does not, however, mean we are all condemned from birth. I believe scripture indicates that folks may even be saved purely through ignorance:

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.

But you won't be able to plead ignorance, because you do have an understanding, and choose to reject the one true God of the scriptures of the Jews and Christians to follow the Muhammad alone. When you stand in judgment before the very Son of God you deny, you will only be able to plead willful disobedience, for following the false prophet Muhammad alone:

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

That is why we are so desperate for you my friend.

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Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2012, 11:27:32 AM »
That was non-responsive. Headed for spam. Please answer the questions. A simple yes or now will do but I can understand why you are afraid to give an honest answer, and what it means about the Quraish pagan's god "Allah".

Your yes or no question is absurd, your Quraish Pagan statements are out of your ignorance and foul mouth. You not a follower of Jesus or any Prophet of God in fact you a liar and a conjecturer, I have zero respect for your stupid rules, I donte care ban me from this site I have done my duty. You have been informed of your wrongdoing. If you wish me to teach you manners and conduct becoming of a human being I can gladly help you. You must be willing to learn and drop your arrogant belief that you actually know something everyone else does not.


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Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2012, 11:48:53 AM »
That was non-responsive. Headed for spam. Please answer the questions. A simple yes or now will do but I can understand why you are afraid to give an honest answer, and what it means about the Quraish pagan's god "Allah".

Your yes or no question is absurd, ........

Come on Muj. You pop in weeks apart, and pull things out of context and then try to reconfigure the conversation. The questions prior to what you quoted were:

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?

Your fellow follower of Muhammad from the OP didn't have any difficulty with it:

"Enough of the condescension - OF COURSE I - and even you and anybody else making that "confession" would be committing the one HEINOUS sin that God does not forgive."

Now you pretty much agreed with an unnecessary blizzard of words in an effort to dull your pain.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14244#msg14244

The question you have to ask yourself is, would a just God make confessing that Jesus is the Son of God or even praying in Jesus name, a sin worse than raping a little girl or cold-blooded mass murder?

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

You skipped over questions I asked about justice.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14245#msg14245
Every Christian throughout the Christian era, would have committed the only unforgivable sin according to Muhammad who came along 500 years after those scriptures were closed.
Do you see why you are having so much trouble answering? It shows you the backwards judgment of the stand-alone god of Muhammad's imagination that you follow.

....... your Quraish Pagan statements are out of your ignorance and foul mouth.

Do you prostrate yourself to the very same black stone idol that the Quraish pagans venerated long before Muhammad ever invented his religion - or not?
The answer is undeniably that you do indeed prostrate toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol. It a simple matter of irrefutable historical fact.

You not a follower of Jesus or any Prophet of God in fact you a liar and a conjecturer .......

One of us must necessarily be so. Either the one that follows Muhammad alone, who proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel. A member of a cult that follows Muhammad alone, whose "revelation" is an epic failure whether on the basis of scripture, history, archaeology or geography.

Alternatively the one of us that follows ALL of the prophets and witnesses as revealed through the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years is the "liar and conjecturer".

...... I have zero respect for your stupid rules, I donte care ban me from this site I have done my duty.

Unfortunately the "duty" of Muhammadans is to subjugate the rest of mankind to denying the Son of God and rejecting the blood He shed for all.

You have been informed of your wrongdoing.

My "wrongdoing" is supported by the scriptures that you must reject to follow Muhammad alone.

If you wish me to teach you manners and conduct becoming of a human being I can gladly help you. You must be willing to learn and drop your arrogant belief that you actually know something everyone else does not.

I have already learned quite enough. That Muhammad's followers are antichrists who have been commanded to subjugate all of mankind to denying the Son of God and rejecting the crucifixion of Christ and His shed blood that would save you.


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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2013, 03:05:18 AM »
Here's an example of the bondage that results:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090917101426AA3SseF

Dear Peter your misguided isolated quotations, your remarks and opinion is of no consequence to the truth. Your BIBLE is flawed, corrupted text that uses the truth of the Prophets of GOD to misguide and lead mankind astray. IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF ALL THE TEACHINGS OF SCRIPTURE THROUGHOUT THE AGES. THE FACT IS THAT: THERE IS NO GOD except ALLAH, ALLAH is unique he begets not nor is he begotten and there is none like him.

ALLAH most merciful most gracious, created everything, NABI EESA is not the SON of GOD, he is not GOD and the story told in the new Testament is a corruption/deviation/misinterpretation or misguided political attempt of the NICEAN council to make a NABI a GOD.

It s a way to send millions to hell by committing shirk (ascribing partners to ALLAH.

The RUH is the command of GOD and we all have a RUH, NABI ADAM's (PBUH) RUH was placed in him directly by ALLAH, NABI EESA's (PBUH) RUH was placed in him by ANgel Gabriel, and our RUH is placed in our bodies by an ANGEL charged with the task. (PBUH-PEACE BE UPON HIM)

I believe this to be the truth and it is cemented by you as I have had to think long and hard about the truth. I prayed for guidance and your statements and Rhetoric became of no consequence as they are empty words devoid of action.

ISLAM is not a Doctrine or a GOSPEL or a Book it is divine instruction for actions and deeds to be judged by ALLAH ultimately on the Day of Reckoning.
The first of which is what do you believe about ALLAH almighty

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2013, 08:44:01 AM »
Here's an example of the bondage that results:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090917101426AA3SseF
Dear Peter your misguided isolated quotations, your remarks and opinion is of no consequence to the truth. Your BIBLE is flawed, corrupted text that uses the truth of the Prophets of GOD to misguide and lead mankind astray. IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF ALL THE TEACHINGS OF SCRIPTURE THROUGHOUT THE AGES.
As always, those who follow the 7th century false prophet Muhammad alone, get it exactly backwards.
Jesus is the fulfillment of all of the teachings of scripture throughout the ages:

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.

Fulfilled in the perfect and complete sacrifice of the Lamb of God:

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

All you need is faith in the Messiah, the Lamb of God, and His shed blood, my friend. The one thing that Satan, through his prophet, forces you to reject. The whole subject of the Gospel, and indeed the whole bible.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
THE FACT IS THAT: THERE IS NO GOD except ALLAH, ALLAH is unique he begets not nor is he begotten and there is none like him.

ALLAH most merciful most gracious, created everything, NABI EESA is not the SON of GOD, he is not GOD and the story told in the new Testament is a corruption/deviation/misinterpretation or misguided political attempt of the NICEAN council to make a NABI a GOD.

It s a way to send millions to hell by committing shirk (ascribing partners to ALLAH.

The RUH is the command of GOD and we all have a RUH, NABI ADAM's (PBUH) RUH was placed in him directly by ALLAH, NABI EESA's (PBUH) RUH was placed in him by ANgel Gabriel, and our RUH is placed in our bodies by an ANGEL charged with the task. (PBUH-PEACE BE UPON HIM)

I believe this to be the truth and it is cemented by you as I have had to think long and hard about the truth. I prayed for guidance and your statements and Rhetoric became of no consequence as they are empty words devoid of action.
As long as you continue to pray to pray in the "vain repetitions of the heathen" toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca, in the name of the Arabian pagan's deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad, you are likely going to continue to come up short in regard to divine guidance.

You need to ask Jesus to answer your questions and resolve your doubts, as so many of your former brethren have.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Muslims4Jesus
ISLAM is not a Doctrine or a GOSPEL or a Book it is divine instruction for actions and deeds to be judged by ALLAH ultimately on the Day of Reckoning.
Indeed! Like fighting and slaying non-Muslims.
http://brotherpete.com/jihad.htm

And genocide of Jews
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/christian_zionism.htm#hitler_mufti

And prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca, and running back and forth between Al-Safa and Al-Marwah as the Arabian jinn-demon worshipers did.
http://brotherpete.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah
The first of which is what do you believe about ALLAH almighty

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2013, 09:05:28 AM »
Now let's discuss the topic of this thread. In the post above http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14391#msg14391 I wrote:

"Come on Muj. You pop in weeks apart," (and now you pop in months apart) "and pull things out of context and then try to reconfigure the conversation. The questions prior to what you quoted were:

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?"

Let me add number:

3. It would even constitute a sin even worse than the mass murder of those school children of some weeks back, wouldn't it?

Do you understand that the reason you continue to fail to answer these questions is because even you yourself can understand, what an evil and unjust god it is that you follow? That only your fake god Satan would be capable of such injustice, as suggesting that praying in Jesus name, would constitute a sin worse than the mass murder of children.

Your posts will go to spam until you answer.

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2013, 05:33:46 AM »
See what happened because of your continuing refusal to learn to quote posts properly? I accidentally erased your post while trying to correct it. Sorry about that Muj.

But at least not before quoting this part of it in my reply.

DO NOT SPECULATE ON CIRCUMSTANCES YOU HAVE NO FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF: IT IS BLIND FOLLOWING OF A MEDIA THAT HAS AN AGENDA. I DO NOT CONDONE KILLING APART FROM DEFENDING ONESELF AGAINST AN ENEMY OF GOD.

Nobody is suggesting you condone killing Muj, even though the man you follow, was a mass murderer of innocent Jewish farm boys. Please try answering the questions this time. They only require "yes" or "no" answers:

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?"

Let me add number:

3. It would even constitute a sin even worse than the mass murder of those school children of some weeks back, wouldn't it?
« Last Edit: January 07, 2013, 09:10:29 AM by Peter »

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2013, 10:19:10 PM »
Mujaheed...

I have a question for you.  Is it possible for Allah to be a multiple places at one time?  Can he be everywhere at one time?  How about inside someone?

I ask these questions because of the power of a God.  God can do ANYTHING!  Right?  If God wanted to do this, could he?  What if God wanted to come to us, find a woman, have sex with her and get her pregnant, could he do it?  Sure he could.  God can do ANYTHING.  If God can't do that, what else can he not do? 

You see.  You limit the capabilities of your god.  Think about it.  If God can indeed do anything, then you tell me how your god put Jesus in Mary as your Quran specifically states.  Jesus has no earthly father, correct?  You say god didn't have sex with her, correct?  Our Bible doesn't say God had sex with Mary either.  So, how did Mary become pregnant?  Jesus was born of her, that is true. 

The problem is you take what you are taught without asking important questions.  Now, I'm not being rude here, just trying to get you to think.  God created Jesus.  Is that a fair statement?  Forget about Scriptures and Bibles for now.  Just tell me how Mary was able to be pregnant when NO MAN even touched her.  By man's definition, that is impossible.  It can't be done!  But yet, there he (Jesus) is!  God put him there yet God did NOT have sex with her.  In fact, an angel came to Mary to tell her she's pregnant yet she found that impossible but she was indeed pregnant!  Would that mean since Jesus had no earthly father and God is the one who put Jesus there in the first place that God should be the Father?  If you had sex with someone and got a child, would not you be its father?  Of coarse you would.  How come God can't do that?

Think on this.  God created the entire universe, holds the world in perfect place, creates every living thing all the way down to the last cell, the waters, mountains, stars and anything else you can think of and he can't create a Son? 
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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2013, 06:03:36 AM »
God created Jesus.  Is that a fair statement?

Perhaps not. Jesus and God are coexistent from the beginning. From before the world was.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

This is just the first that caught my attention while googling the subject.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_God_create_Jesus

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2013, 09:52:34 AM »
Regarding shirk:

I've noticed that, because the Dome of the Rock is likely built on the "wrong rock", that, if you are standing on the inside of the dome (inside the inner octagonal arcade), reading the inscriptions on the walls, this is what you'd read (you are facing the direction where the Jewish temple would have been the entire time):

(Facing the Gate Beautiful) God is only One God. Far be it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And God is sufficient as Defender. (Facing the Holy Place) The Messiah will never scorn to be a servant unto God, nor will the favoured angels. Whoso scorneth His service and is proud, all such will He assemble unto Him. Oh God, bless Your messenger and Your servant (Facing the Holy of Holies) Jesus son of Mary. Peace be on him the day he was born, and the day he dies, and the day he shall be raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary, (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt. It befitteth not (the Majesty of) God that He should take unto Himself a son.

So, essentially, while standing inside the mosque, reading the inscriptions, the inscriptions that deny that God has a son would be (if you could see through the wall) spoken toward the temple in a sweeping motion from front to back.

Not to mention that all of the incriptions on the outer part of the mosque that deny Jesus as the son of God, all face the temple site as well.
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Re: Muslim Testimonies
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2013, 01:58:41 PM »
Book 33, Number 6429:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The mother of every person gives him birth according to his true nature. It is subsequently his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Magian. Had his parents been Muslim he would have also remained a Muslim. Every person to whom his mother gives birth (has two aspects of his life) ; when his mother gives birth Satan strikes him but it was not the case with Mary and her son (Jesus Christ).

Book 33, Number 6430:
Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was asked about the children of the polytheists, whereupon he said: It is Allah Who knows best what they would be doing.

Book 33, Number 6431:
This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Shu'aib and Ma'qil with a slight variation of wording.

Book 33, Number 6432:
Abu Huraira reported that Allahs Messenger (way peace be upon him) was asked about the children of the polytheists who die young. Thereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: It is Allah Who knows what they would be doing.

Book 33, Number 6433:
Ibn Abbas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was asked about the children of the polytheists, whereupon he said: It is Allah alone Who knows what they would be doing according to their creation.

Book 33, Number 6434:
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that AUah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The young man whom Khadir killed was a non-believer by his very nature and had he survived he would have involved his parents in defiance and unbelief.

Book 33, Number 6435:
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, reported that a child died and I said: There is happiness for this child who is a bird from amongst the birds of Paradise. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Don't you know that Allah created the Paradise and He created the Hell and He created the dwellers for this (Paradise) and the denizens for this (Hell)?

Book 33, Number 6436:
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

Book 33, Number 6437:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Yahya with the same chain of transmitters.

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Re: Re: Muslim Testimonies
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2013, 07:35:40 AM »
Muj, you always do this. You run away from the questions we ask you like a little girl, and then months later come back, and post things unrelated to those questions. We won't address Muhammad's drivel about the Arabian pagan's deity "Allah", until you are ready to engage in an exchange, as you agreed to do when you joined the forum. Do you break your word as easily as that in other areas of your life too?
Please review forum decorum:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=35.msg5830#msg5830

Now for the post you keep ignoring:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14499#msg14499

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?"

Let me add number:

3. It would even constitute a sin even worse than the mass murder of those school children of some weeks back, wouldn't it?

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2013, 06:13:47 AM »
Muj:
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"DO NOT SPECULATE ON CIRCUMSTANCES YOU HAVE NO FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF: IT IS BLIND FOLLOWING OF A MEDIA THAT HAS AN AGENDA. I DO NOT CONDONE KILLING APART FROM DEFENDING ONESELF AGAINST AN ENEMY OF GOD."

Always the qualifier. "I DO NOT CONDONE KILLING ................................. APART FROM DEFENDING ONESELF AGAINST AN ENEMY OF GOD."

In other words, Muslims only condone killing those who criticize Muhammad or Islam, commit the "crime" of what is perceived to be "blasphemy" (there were few blasphemers greater than Muhammad himself), proselytize for another faith, leave Islam or commit the "crime" of "apostasy" etc. In other words, "spread mischief in the land". Here's how the Quran puts it:

Surah 5:32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. 33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Here's a fake-Christian woman that Muslims love to trot out, who either got duped by Islamic taqiyyah (or dissimulation), or is consciously engaging in the half-truths and lies of Islamic taqiyyah herself:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3874.0
Her video exegeted: "Velvet-Tongued Pseudo-Christian Deceives Muslims With Interfaith Pluralism"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j--cMsRzg4s


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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2013, 11:15:47 AM »
Shirk as you know is an unforgivable sin in Islam. Ascribing partners to God
That is a command from the time of Adam (peace be upon him)
I read the entire thread looking at all the verses quoted and questions posed and realized that you ask answer your question but fail to grasp the reality. You also prove that the Quran is correct and that your Nicean creed is highly flawed in its translation and interpretation of the scripture.

Shirk is not comparable to any other sin and it is due to Kufr and Shirk that most sins are committed.

Repeating things in the most vile way will not miraculously make it true. Your interpretation of the words and actions of the prophet Muhammad is as deviated as your interpretation and conjecture of the scriptures and Gospels.

What I cannot fathom is the failure to recognize simple truths about yourself. That the doctrines that you so readily accept comes from unknown authors that may have infused folk tales and Akkadian tablet stories of vain kings with scripture .

I am a Muslim not out blind faith like all the Christians I have met. Or stubborn Christians flowing with the tide of popular belief. Or those that cling to a book for dear life out of fear of eternal damnation. This is not why the prophets were chosen to guide us. They came to guide us to Allah not conjecture or speculation or opinions.

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2013, 12:26:16 PM »
Mujaheed,

Would you be willing to answer some questions, honestly?

Do you believe the following to be sinful or good?

1.  Blaspheming the name of God
2.  Murder
3.  Adultery
4.  Fornication
5.  Theft/Stealing
6.  Lying
7.  Covetousness

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2013, 12:10:56 PM »
Please respond to ExMilitary's post before this one or the next.

Shirk as you know is an unforgivable sin in Islam. Ascribing partners to God
That is a command from the time of Adam (peace be upon him)
I read the entire thread looking at all the verses quoted and questions posed and realized that you ask answer your question but fail to grasp the reality.

Reality isn't composed of vain wishes Muj, but of things that are real. The reality is that I follow the God of the scriptures of the Jews and Christians - YHWH - as He revealed Himself through all of His prophets and witnesses, in His 1600 year record to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years.

You follow Muhammad alone, through his stand-alone 23 year 7th century record, that proclaims the exact opposite, of the whole subject of the Gospel.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/
Following a violent, imperialistic, murderous, captive abusing, child dong self-proclaimed "messenger" who founded an anti-religion - with a scripture-contrary, pre-Muhammad history-devoid, archaeology-bankrupt, reality-rejecting, geographically-impossible Islamic so-called "tradition" - that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 6th century AD. An anti-religion with a carnal tradition of prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and Kaaba in Mecca five times a day - located 1200 kilometers away from the Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs - while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do" in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad. Even performing thinly veneered Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals as the Quraish did before Muhammad was ever born, and "fasting" during Ramadan as the Sabian moon god worshipers did.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/origin_of_ramadan.htm

Rather  than presenting evidence of a pre-4th century Mecca, instead all you did was express your surprise in learning that, but even Muslim Eastern History teachers that have the capacity to be honest with themselves, know this simple truth.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2859.0

You also prove that the Quran is correct and that your Nicean creed is highly flawed in its translation and interpretation of the scripture.

There is only one way to understand the Gospel. Christ was crucified:
Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
Mark 15:24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
Luke 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. 34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
John 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also [his] coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. 24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.

He died on the cross:
Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

He was sent as a perfect sacrifice to save us all from sin.
Muj, do you believe that the first drop of blood of a Muslim martyr allows him to intercede for 70 of his relatives?
https://www.google.com/#q=islam+first+drop+blood+intercede+seventy+family+members

Shirk is not comparable to any other sin and it is due to Kufr and Shirk that most sins are committed.

Thus you must believe that each and every Christian over the last nearly 2,000 years, has lived and died in a state of committing Muhammad's only unforgivable sin, for confessing that Jesus is the Son of God, and praying in Jesus' name.

This while you instead follow a man that is responsible for slaughtering innocent Jewish farm boys, the rape of their little sisters, mothers and grandmothers, while stealing their property.

Should we really be surprised that the same "messenger" of Satan, would have his people murder their own neighbors, for nothing more that choosing to leave Islam?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#death_penalty_apostasy

That, my friend, is how Islam was, and still is, spread.

Repeating things in the most vile way will not miraculously make it true.

Rather than simply declaring it, it would help if you could be more specific, so we could correct ourselves if we are in error. For example, do you believe that women would desire to have sex, with the very same men responsible for beheading their husbands, fathers and little sons?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#banu_qurayza

Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."

Abu Dawud 38:4390 Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayza. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.

http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2013, 12:16:41 PM »
Please respond to ExMilitary's post at the following link, before replying to this one.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg15859#msg15859

Repeating things in the most vile way will not miraculously make it true.

That's right, it is because it is true, that makes it true. Not because it is repeated.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2013, 01:11:30 PM »
My honest answer to you question has been self explanatory from my first response. Spamming them is an indication of you dogmatic style of rejecting the truth the truth is the  Bible says that it is the first and most heinous sin not say that God is one with no partners no equal and no offspring "Hear ye 'O Children of Israel The Lord your God Is one.

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #49 on: December 12, 2013, 01:19:35 PM »
Every sin follows after your rejection of that commandment. It is not your place to sit in judgement of matters of Allah. It is not your place to discuss things matters beyond your comprehension when the basis if your belief is highly flawed and based on the writings of on known Authors  there may well be thousands of flawed parchments floating does not mean it is accepted as authentic judge by what you find Therein without speculation and conjecture. Nowhere does it say Jesus died for your sins. If he rose after three days like many others from the dead then it is not an iindication of divinity nor of dying for the sins of others. That is speculation and wishful thinking.