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Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2013, 12:57:14 PM »

Now for the post you keep ignoring:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14499#msg14499

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?"

Let me add number:

3. It would even constitute a sin even worse than the mass murder of those school children of some weeks back, wouldn't it?

1. If any human being ascribes a partner to ALLAH (GOD ALMIGHTY) he transgresses the WHOLE OF SCRIPTURE AND REJECTS JESUS "HEar ye O Israle the LORD Your God is ONE, (Not one of three not three in one) Muhammad is complete conformity with all the Prophets .

2. It is the worst of all sins incomparable to others. SIN is Sin.

3. Again relating one sin to another is as absurd as asking you; "How long have you been sober"? the question is loaded.

Your Question should be: Is your lord GOD ONE? Does the Scripture say that The LORD YOUR GOD IS ONE?
Is it a sin to say otherwise. IS the most heinous crime according to all the Books of GOD?

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Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2013, 01:03:21 PM »

Now for the post you keep ignoring:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14499#msg14499

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?"

Let me add number:

3. It would even constitute a sin even worse than the mass murder of those school children of some weeks back, wouldn't it?

1. If any human being ascribes a partner to ALLAH (GOD ALMIGHTY) he transgresses the WHOLE OF SCRIPTURE AND REJECTS JESUS "HEar ye O Israle the LORD Your God is ONE, (Not one of three not three in one) Muhammad is complete conformity with all the Prophets .

2. It is the worst of all sins incomparable to others. SIN is Sin.

3. Again relating one sin to another is as absurd as asking you; "How long have you been sober"? the question is loaded.

How can you answer 2 and 3 like that without lying Muj?
Isn't shirk the ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin?
While "raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder" may be forgiven?

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Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2013, 09:19:24 AM »
Shirk as you know is an unforgivable sin in Islam. Ascribing partners to God
Shirk is not comparable to any other sin and it is due to Kufr and Shirk that most sins are committed.

Clear enough. But in the next quote you seem to contradict yourself.

2. It is the worst of all sins incomparable to others. SIN is Sin.

3. Again relating one sin to another is as absurd as asking you; "How long have you been sober"? the question is loaded.

How can you answer 2 and 3 like that without lying Muj?
Isn't shirk the ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin?
While "raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder" may be forgiven?

So which is it? The worst of all sins, or just another "sin is sin" like any other sin?

Repeating things in the most vile way will not miraculously make it true.

That's right, it is because it is true, that makes it true. Not because it is repeated.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

(If by "vile" you were talking about the way I framed the question, how can you describe that as vile when your own "messenger" mass-murdered innocent Jewish farm boys, and was doing a 9-year old when he was 53?)

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not...
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=466.0

My honest answer to you question has been self explanatory from my first response. Spamming them is an indication of you dogmatic style of rejecting the truth the truth is the  Bible says that it is the first and most heinous sin ..........

The truth is, the Bible actually says, with you apparently having been unable to understand the thin ice you have been skating on.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

That obviously doesn't mean that all manner of sins shall be forgiven after we die, but forgiven in this life, through faith in the shed blood of the Lamb of God.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

After we die, it is too late to have our sins forgiven Muj.

That verse is talking about the same Holy Ghost (KJV term), that is, Holy Spirit, that was sent in Jesus' name.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#taqiyyah

Sent in the same name of our one mediator and intercessor, that Satan prevents Muhammad's followers from calling upon so that he can keep you away from the Holy Spirit and the things of the God's Spirit, even making it an unforgivable sin to do so, in Satan's/Muhammad's anti-religion.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm
While you invoke the false prophet Muhammad's name ad nauseum, every day, while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do".
Muhammad even blasphemously having proclaimed himself to be an intercessor.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/intercession.htm

.........not say that God is one with no partners no equal and no offspring "Hear ye 'O Children of Israel The Lord your God Is one.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

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Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #53 on: December 20, 2013, 10:26:28 AM »
I merged the "shirk" chat, that was on the wrong "muslim testimonies" thread, with this one.

Time to focus Muj. Please read the post at the link and answer the question at the bottom to continue the exchange on that point, or your posts will continue to go to spam:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg15954#msg15954

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Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #54 on: December 27, 2013, 01:48:42 PM »
Shirk as you know is an unforgivable sin in Islam. Ascribing partners to God
Shirk is not comparable to any other sin and it is due to Kufr and Shirk that most sins are committed.

Clear enough. But in the next quote you seem to contradict yourself.

2. It is the worst of all sins incomparable to others. SIN is Sin.

3. Again relating one sin to another is as absurd as asking you; "How long have you been sober"? the question is loaded.

How can you answer 2 and 3 like that without lying Muj?
Isn't shirk the ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin?
While "raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder" may be forgiven?

So which is it? The worst of all sins, or just another "sin is sin" like any other sin?

Repeating things in the most vile way will not miraculously make it true.

That's right, it is because it is true, that makes it true. Not because it is repeated.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

(If by "vile" you were talking about the way I framed the question, how can you describe that as vile when your own "messenger" mass-murdered innocent Jewish farm boys, and was doing a 9-year old when he was 53?)

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not...
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=466.0

My honest answer to you question has been self explanatory from my first response. Spamming them is an indication of you dogmatic style of rejecting the truth the truth is the  Bible says that it is the first and most heinous sin ..........

The truth is, the Bible actually says, with you apparently having been unable to understand the thin ice you have been skating on.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

That obviously doesn't mean that all manner of sins shall be forgiven after we die, but forgiven in this life, through faith in the shed blood of the Lamb of God.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

After we die, it is too late to have our sins forgiven Muj.

That verse is talking about the same Holy Ghost (KJV term), that is, Holy Spirit, that was sent in Jesus' name.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#taqiyyah

Sent in the same name of our one mediator and intercessor, that Satan prevents Muhammad's followers from calling upon so that he can keep you away from the Holy Spirit and the things of the God's Spirit, even making it an unforgivable sin to do so, in Satan's/Muhammad's anti-religion.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm
While you invoke the false prophet Muhammad's name ad nauseum, every day, while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do".
Muhammad even blasphemously having proclaimed himself to be an intercessor.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/intercession.htm

.........not say that God is one with no partners no equal and no offspring "Hear ye 'O Children of Israel The Lord your God Is one.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

Yes I believe that anyone duped into believing the writing of men that a God is a trinity is breaking the first and Holiest of commands. Her Ye O Israel The Lord Your God is One.

I believe that the scripture is clear that that is the worst of sins that is only forgiven when the person repents and declares that there is no God but God.

I believe that you hypothetical questions about God and conjecture does not deserve an answer and I will not entertain your conjecture and speculation as that is the root of your deviation from the Commandments of God 

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Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2013, 11:54:21 AM »
Shirk as you know is an unforgivable sin in Islam. Ascribing partners to God
Shirk is not comparable to any other sin and it is due to Kufr and Shirk that most sins are committed.

Clear enough. But in the next quote you seem to contradict yourself.

2. It is the worst of all sins incomparable to others. SIN is Sin.

3. Again relating one sin to another is as absurd as asking you; "How long have you been sober"? the question is loaded.

How can you answer 2 and 3 like that without lying Muj?
Isn't shirk the ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin?
While "raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder" may be forgiven?

So which is it? The worst of all sins, or just another "sin is sin" like any other sin?

Repeating things in the most vile way will not miraculously make it true.

That's right, it is because it is true, that makes it true. Not because it is repeated.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

(If by "vile" you were talking about the way I framed the question, how can you describe that as vile when your own "messenger" mass-murdered innocent Jewish farm boys, and was doing a 9-year old when he was 53?)

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not...
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=466.0

My honest answer to you question has been self explanatory from my first response. Spamming them is an indication of you dogmatic style of rejecting the truth the truth is the  Bible says that it is the first and most heinous sin ..........

The truth is, the Bible actually says, with you apparently having been unable to understand the thin ice you have been skating on.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

That obviously doesn't mean that all manner of sins shall be forgiven after we die, but forgiven in this life, through faith in the shed blood of the Lamb of God.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

After we die, it is too late to have our sins forgiven Muj.

That verse is talking about the same Holy Ghost (KJV term), that is, Holy Spirit, that was sent in Jesus' name.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#taqiyyah

Sent in the same name of our one mediator and intercessor, that Satan prevents Muhammad's followers from calling upon so that he can keep you away from the Holy Spirit and the things of the God's Spirit, even making it an unforgivable sin to do so, in Satan's/Muhammad's anti-religion.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm
While you invoke the false prophet Muhammad's name ad nauseum, every day, while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do".
Muhammad even blasphemously having proclaimed himself to be an intercessor.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/intercession.htm

.........not say that God is one with no partners no equal and no offspring "Hear ye 'O Children of Israel The Lord your God Is one.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

Yes I believe that anyone duped into believing ........

This from a guy that has been duped into prostrating himself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol five times a day, located in a town that did not even exist, prior to the 4th century AD. Even duped into lining the Saudi's pockets, by squandering his money to travel to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, and kissing it, as Muhammad did.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2859.0

Even duped into believing the completely unwitnessed tall tale that Muhammad rode on a flying donkey-mule one night, from Mecca to Jerusalem, then up to the "paradise" of Muhammad's overactive imagination, and back to Mecca by morning. Even having to believe his lie about praying in a temple that, as the actual historical record tells us, had been torn down over 500 years before Muhammad spun his foolish tale.
http://www.brotherpete.com/mohammeds_night_journey.htm

...... the writing of men that a God is a trinity is breaking the first and Holiest of commands. Her Ye O Israel The Lord Your God is One.

The Lord God is indeed ONE Lord, just as you quote from SCRIPTURE: Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

God manifest through His Spirit, and in the way He chose to reveal Himself to mankind, including when He revealed Himself to Abraham.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2358.0

So you must believe Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" to be devoid of a spirit (one part of the Godhead), even though the Quran clearly indicates otherwise:

Sura 15.29: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=174.0

So if you don't reject that verse, then by the measure you apply to Christians you are a polytheistic hypocrite, believing in two parts of what has been dubbed the "trinity". God and His Spirit.

While it is Muhammad who assigned himself the role as a helper of his alter-ego "Allah".
Bukhari B7, #331 .....I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection).
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3790.0

Making Muhammadan beliefs far more polytheistic that Christians, who understand God and the way He chose to reveal Himself are ALL ONE, just as the scriptures state.


So it isn't WHETHER a trinity but Which Trinity For Eternity?
God gave us all the free will to choose between right and wrong, good and evil, and reality and fantasy, so how we spend our eternal life depends on the choices we make in this life. Those choices in turn, are arrived at through a love of truth, or absence thereof. Which "trinity" does your eternal life depend on? That of the one true God of love of the Jews and Christians as He revealed Himself manifest in person and through His Spirit, to ALL of His prophets and witnesses of His 1600 year record of revelation to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, with our sinless Messiah as intercessor? A record that is well supported by history, archaeology and fulfilled prophecy, that is consistent with matter of fact physical geography, and can even be confirmed mathematically.

Or does your eternal life depend on an imitation trinity with Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" as a terrorist, that inspired a cruel, violent, imperialistic, mass-murdering, child violating, counter-"messenger" of an anti-religion, in Muhammad's "Allah's" spirit of antichrist, with Muhammad as the self-proclaimed intercessor?
A scripture-contrary, counter-religion with a pre-Muhammad history-devoid, archaeology-absent, reality-rejecting, geographically-impossible so-called "tradition", that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 6th century AD. A counter-YHWH anti-religion with a carnal tradition of prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and Kaaba in Mecca five times a day - located 1200 kilometers away from the Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs - while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do", in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad. Even compelled to perform adopted, adapted and thinly veneered pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals.

I believe that the scripture is clear that that is the worst of sins that is only forgiven when the person repents and declares that there is no God but God.

And as the scripture you quoted confirms there is ONE God.
And by the way, his name is not the name of the Arabian pagan's moon god "Allah".
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_name_allah.htm

I believe that you hypothetical questions about God and conjecture does not deserve an answer and I will not entertain your conjecture and speculation as that is the root of your deviation from the Commandments of God

I believe that you mean is that if you answer the question it will expose your stand-alone "messenger" as being the messenger of Satan himself.

Because THE FACT is - as confirmed by Muslims in the OP - that child rape and cold-blooded mass murder are forgivable sins according to Muhammad, though that is not surprising, since Muhammad himself was guilty of both.

So what you have to face is whether a just is a god would make child rape and cold-blooded mass murder, lesser offenses than confessing that Jesus is the Son of God, or even praying in Jesus name, as instructed through the scriptures of the ONE great God of the Jews and Christians.

Indeed while you are even compelled to believe that Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah", who your own books describe as a terrorist, smiled down on Muhammad's beheading of innocent, faithful, Jewish farm boys, and the rape of their little sisters, moms and grandmothers - while at the same time you are compelled to believe that each and every Christian, throughout the last nearly 2,000 years, is being tormented as "entertainment" of Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah", in the hell of Muhammad's overactive imagination, for doing exactly as scripture commands us to do.
http://www.brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

Now why don't you quit being so afraid of the truth, and join me in discussion on the first drop of blood shed by a Muslim so-called "martyr", at this thread:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3898.0

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Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2013, 10:42:53 PM »
He won't.  Sorry.  I can't right off remember the statement that God put into the Muslims hearts to be hardened.  During this time of his plan, it must be that way.  Sad but suffice to say, that Muj will be heading to hell whether he likes it or not. 

I wish that his heart wasn't hardened but I'm afraid it is.

Found verse. 

Rev 17:17  For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2013, 11:38:56 PM by Bistabuster »

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Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #57 on: January 01, 2014, 05:45:08 AM »
He won't.  Sorry.  I can't right off remember the statement that God put into the Muslims hearts to be hardened.  During this time of his plan, it must be that way.  Sad but suffice to say, that Muj will be heading to hell whether he likes it or not.

It would seem perhaps so, but perhaps the only thing we can know, is we can't know:

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

But since he claims to have been shown the way and left it to follow Muhammad.....

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I wish that his heart wasn't hardened but I'm afraid it is.

Found verse. 

Rev 17:17  For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

We need to pray for him.

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Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #58 on: January 01, 2014, 10:12:39 AM »
We need to pray for him.
Always have!

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2014, 12:40:59 PM »
I split off the tangent chat on the subject of sin in general and salvation to its own thread
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=4020.0

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2014, 03:44:22 PM »
Every sin follows after your rejection of that commandment. It is not your place to sit in judgement of matters of Allah.

It is Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" himself, that judges himself, a terrorist:

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."

It is not your place to discuss things matters beyond your comprehension when the basis if your belief is highly flawed and based on the writings of on known Authors ........

Sure. That's why God's people have followed Him through His 1600 year record to mankind through all of His prohpets and witnesses, through two covenants, for 3500 years.

Little refresher on the stand-alone Quran of your stand-alone "messenger" is in order:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2576.0

And on the authors of the Quran which demonstrates that it is actually guys like Jabr, Tubba and Waraqa bin Naufal, that you follow.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3091.0

........ there may well be thousands........

There are thousands, that were penned before Nicea. This is how we know that your suggestion that they were changed is an unsupportable bold faced lie.

........ of flawed parchments floating does not mean it is accepted as authentic judge by what you find Therein without speculation and conjecture. Nowhere does it say Jesus died for your sins. If he rose after three days ............

Just as He Himself prophesied before He was ever killed:

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.

And made reference to His own prophesy after it was fulfilled:

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

You just choose to follow the lies of a mass murdering, child doing, prisoner raping thief, instead.

......... like many others from the dead............

So many people have risen from the dead, after being dead for 3 days, Muj?

.........  then it is not an iindication of divinity nor of dying for the sins of others. That is speculation and wishful thinking.

So Muj, who has all power in heaven and earth?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

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Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2014, 01:51:48 AM »
He won't.  Sorry.  I can't right off remember the statement that God put into the Muslims hearts to be hardened.  During this time of his plan, it must be that way.  Sad but suffice to say, that Muj will be heading to hell whether he likes it or not.
Ok so God Forgives Murders and rapist and convicts that confess but not someone engaged in discussing him, acknowledging his presence doing good and for reading scripture???? Lovely God you have very fair of Him

It would seem perhaps so, but perhaps the only thing we can know, is we can't know:
SO you uncertain about?? God's Mercy? forgiveness? Guiding hand? What do you think you doing here??? God's work or the ridiculing of God's creation?? All throngs bright and beautiful all creatures great and small all things wide and wonderful the ???? made it all?? fill in the blanks please

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

But since he claims to have been shown the way and left it to follow Muhammad.....

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I wish that his heart wasn't hardened but I'm afraid it is.

Found verse. 

Rev 17:17  For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
How are you reading this verse?? does it say that God put in their hearts to fulfill his will????

We need to pray for him.
WHy thank you heres a prayer, OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN HALLOWED BE THY NAME (BESTOW PEACE AND BLESSINGS ON NABI EES) PLEASE GUIDE US AND REMOVE THE PRIDE AND ARROGANCE FROM ALL OF OUR HEARTS>
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Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2014, 06:10:43 AM »
Good job multiple quoting Muj! Except after you are done posting you have to remove the extra tag that you pasted next to the quote tag at the bottom of the page (I did it for you).

He won't.  Sorry.  I can't right off remember the statement that God put into the Muslims hearts to be hardened.  During this time of his plan, it must be that way.  Sad but suffice to say, that Muj will be heading to hell whether he likes it or not.
Ok so God Forgives Murders and rapist and convicts that confess but not someone engaged in discussing him, acknowledging his presence doing good and for reading scripture????

You are only following your own desires Muj, not what He wants. Here's what God thinks about, what you have convinced yourself are your good deeds, in the absence of atonement for your sins:

Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

In the Hebrew, that "filthy rags", is a reference to used women's menstrual cloths.

Lovely God you have very fair of Him

What's not fair? He gave us His record to understand what is required.

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

And if somebody is ignorant or doesn't understand:

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

But you understand what is required of you, but willfully reject the Son of God, to follow the god of Muhammad's creation. To follow a demon that met him in the cave of Hira.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3909.0

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.


It would seem perhaps so, but perhaps the only thing we can know, is we can't know:
SO you uncertain about??

Context Muj. I can't know God's judgment on you.

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

But we can get a pretty good idea through scripture, regarding someone who willfully rejects the Son of God:

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

God's Mercy? forgiveness? Guiding hand?

It's all there for the asking Muj.

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Like so many millions of your former brethren that enjoy a life in Christ today. Why not listen to a couple of their testimonies?
http://www.muslimjourneytohope.com/watch.php

What do you think you doing here??? God's work or the ridiculing of God's creation?? All throngs bright and beautiful all creatures great and small all things wide and wonderful the ???? made it all?? fill in the blanks please

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

But since he claims to have been shown the way and left it to follow Muhammad.....

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I wish that his heart wasn't hardened but I'm afraid it is.

Found verse. 

Rev 17:17  For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
How are you reading this verse?? does it say that God put in their hearts to fulfill his will????

We need to pray for him.
WHy thank you heres a prayer, OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN HALLOWED BE THY NAME.........

You've spotted a passage in which we are given instruction as to how to pray and how not to pray. You keep falsely accusing us of taking snippets of scripture out of context, so let's back up a few verses and see why you might not have included more of the passage:

Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Can you describe "Salat" for us Muj?

.......... (BESTOW PEACE AND BLESSINGS ON NABI EES) PLEASE GUIDE US AND REMOVE THE PRIDE AND ARROGANCE FROM ALL OF OUR HEARTS>

And may you overcome the spirit of antichrist, and come to know the love of the one true God, through a relationship with His Son our Savior Jesus Christ. His Hebrew name is "Yeshua" which means Yahweh, saves, rescues or delivers.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #63 on: February 22, 2014, 08:46:01 PM »

Can you describe "Salat" for us Muj?


Yes I can, It is the perfection of Prayer that incorporates all elements of spirituality a human being needs.
It promotes unity amongst mankind, it aligns your magnetic field with that of the earth by placing your forehead on the ground.
It is unique and no human being would have ever been able to prescribe such a beautiful form of praise.

It is the Highest form of praise as prescribed to all the Prophets before,

I believe t is described in "King James 2000 Bible
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will.

◄ Numbers 16 ►

20And the LORD spoke unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,

21Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment.

22And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and will you be angry with all the congregation?

23And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying,

24Speak unto the congregation, saying, Get away from the tents of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #64 on: February 22, 2014, 09:23:43 PM »

Can you describe "Salat" for us Muj?


Yes I can, It is the perfection of Prayer that incorporates all elements of spirituality a human being needs.
It promotes unity amongst mankind, it aligns your magnetic field with that of the earth by placing your forehead on the ground.
It is unique and no human being would have ever been able to prescribe such a beautiful form of praise.

It is the Highest form of praise as prescribed to all the Prophets before,

I believe t is described in "King James 2000 Bible
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will.

◄ Numbers 16 ►

20And the LORD spoke unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,

21Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment.

22And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and will you be angry with all the congregation?

23And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying,

24Speak unto the congregation, saying, Get away from the tents of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram.

A Muslim that doesn't even know what salat is?
You cited incidence in scripture of prostration, not salat. That's like saying ablution is salat.
As much as you might wish Muhammad got his idea for prostrating in prayer from that historical incident in scripture, he did not. Nor did he get his idea for praying 5 times a day from literally riding to heaven on a magic flying donkey-mule.

The Sabians (moon god worshipers, who Muhammad even mentions in the Quran):
1. prayed in repetitions
2. prostrated in prayer
3. practiced ablution
4. prayed five times a day
5. wore long white robes
6. fasted by day during the same month of Ramadan in Arabian moon worship

THAT is where Muhammad copied the Islamic routine from.
Just noticed this regarding Muhammad's "holy" day: 
"Prayer, with the Moslem, is a daily exercise; but on Friday there is a sermon in the mosque. This day was generally held sacred among oriental nations as the day on which man was created. The Sabean idolaters consecrated it to Astarte or Venus, the most beautiful of the planets and brightest of the stars. Mahomet adopted it as his Sabbath, partly perhaps from early habitude, but chiefly to vary from the Saturday of the Jews and Sunday of the Christians."
Mahomet and his successors by Washington Irving

Back to salat, when you're ignorant about a subject why don't you just Google it Muj?

Try wikipedia:  "Salat consists of the repetition of a unit called a rakʿah (pl. rakaʿāt) consisting of prescribed actions and words. The number of obligatory (farḍ) rakaʿāt varies from two to four according to the time of day or other circumstances (such as Friday congregational worship, which has two rakats)."

From "Infidel" Ayaan Hirsi Ali explains part of salat, "You say Praise be to Allah thirty-three times; God forgive me thirty-three times; Allah is great thirty-three times; and then, if you choose, you may also say Gratitude to Allah."

The scriptures do a better job of describing salat than you did Muj, while instructing specifically how NOT to pray:

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

We are also instructed specifically how to pray:

1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.

That describes constant contact through a relationship, not vain ritual on specific occasion.
It would obviously be impossible to pray the way God instructs if we had to point toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca, with our heads stuck on the ground, "without ceasing".
Christians are instructed to pray without ceasing to the one true God of the scriptures, that doesn't live in the Quraish pagan's black box in the SW Arabian desert. The ONE true God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. Jesus Christ is IN us and we in Him.
Unlike your "Allah", the ONE intercessor between man and God, Jesus Christ, hears our prayers whether we are sweating at work on a construction site, or have just refreshed in a shower. Whether we are cooking a meal, driving a car, or engaged in study of scripture.

Yet if a follower of Muhammad even passes gas after ablution, Muhammad's deity "Allah" won't hear his prayers, until he "performs" "wudu" all over again. Satan must love to watch the false prophet Muhammad's "children of the flesh" jump through carnal hoops for him!
https://www.google.com/#q=ablution+nullify+passing+gas

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #65 on: March 01, 2014, 07:36:43 AM »
For the next Muslim to weigh in, this point remains unanswered:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14391#msg14391

As a follower of Muhammad, do you believe that each and every Christian throughout the last nearly 2,000 years, have lived and died in a state of committing Muhammad's ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin, since to be a Christian requires that we confess that Jesus is the Son of God and pray in Jesus'/Yeshua's name?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_trinity.htm

2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

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The ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam ("Merry Christmas" worse than murder)
« Reply #66 on: December 28, 2015, 11:25:02 AM »
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Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

Yes I believe that anyone duped into believing the writing of men that a God is a trinity is breaking the first and Holiest of commands. Her Ye O Israel The Lord Your God is One.

I believe that the scripture is clear that that is the worst of sins that is only forgiven when the person repents and declares that there is no God but God.

I believe that you hypothetical questions about God and conjecture does not deserve an answer and I will not entertain your conjecture and speculation as that is the root of your deviation from the Commandments of God

Here is one who says that saying "Merry Christmas" to an alien is worse than murdering a human being.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs5ZdmGNeR8

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Re: The ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam ("Merry Christmas" worse than murder)
« Reply #67 on: December 29, 2015, 08:57:42 AM »
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Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

Yes I believe that anyone duped into believing the writing of men that a God is a trinity is breaking the first and Holiest of commands. Her Ye O Israel The Lord Your God is One.

I believe that the scripture is clear that that is the worst of sins that is only forgiven when the person repents and declares that there is no God but God.

I believe that you hypothetical questions about God and conjecture does not deserve an answer and I will not entertain your conjecture and speculation as that is the root of your deviation from the Commandments of God

Here is one who says that saying "Merry Christmas" to an alien is worse than murdering a human being.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs5ZdmGNeR8

I think this video deserves its own thread in general discussion.

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #68 on: June 30, 2016, 07:58:19 AM »
"It is common knowledge that only God is worthy of worship, yet the
Koran teaches that Iblis or Satan was cast out of heaven for his refusal to
worship Adam (Sura 2:34; 7:11-13; 38:72-77)."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/contradictions_in_the_koran.htm#31

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #69 on: June 30, 2016, 07:59:23 AM »
"The power to create and impart life is the exclusive right of God
alone. He cannot permit angels or prophets to create life or they would
also be God. Yet Koran on the one hand teaches that Jesus fashioned a
bird out of clay and imparted life into the bird (Sura 3:49), while on the
other hand, the same  Koran  teaches that Jesus is no more than a
prophet."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/contradictions_in_the_koran.htm#31

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #70 on: June 30, 2016, 08:01:32 AM »
"It is common knowledge that only God is worthy of worship, yet the
Koran teaches that Iblis or Satan was cast out of heaven for his refusal to
worship Adam (Sura 2:34; 7:11-13; 38:72-77)."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/contradictions_in_the_koran.htm#31

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Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
« Reply #71 on: July 06, 2016, 12:34:21 AM »
"It is common knowledge that only God is worthy of worship, yet the
Koran teaches that Iblis or Satan was cast out of heaven for his refusal to
worship Adam (Sura 2:34; 7:11-13; 38:72-77)."

Kinda counter productive.