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Title: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on August 16, 2012, 07:43:02 AM
Each and every Christian for nearly 2,000 years - each and every follower of the Gospel of Jesus Christ - has necessarily committed the false prophet Muhammad's only unforgivable sin "shirk", because we recognize that Jesus is the Son of God through hundreds of verses in the Gospel that describe the relationship between the Son of God (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=611.0) and God His father (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=610.0).

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Yet 1.5 billion people have been taught to believe, that if they were to make that Christian confession that Jesus is the Son of God, they would be committing the most egregious, most heinous, and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin ("shirk") before Muhammad's god "Allah". Thus 1/4 of mankind are compelled to believe that raping a little child, or murdering an innocent human being in cold blood, or even mass murder, would be lesser sins than if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God. This is the epitome of the spirit of antichrist as manifest in each and every follower of Muhammad.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father.....

After some effort at getting him to do so, here is one such admission that I coaxed out of a follower of Muhammad, in another forum (http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.php?109590-Islam-is-ANTICHRIST&p=3250933&viewfull=1#post3250933):

After fielding hedging, and post-ignoring, I finally asked more directly:

"Why don't you relax and answer this simple question this time, instead of obfuscating again.
If you were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, you be committing the most egregious and only unforgivable sin ("shirk") in Muhammad's religion, wouldn't you? A simple "yes" or "no" will do. If you don't know the answer you can google it before you reply.

You would be committing a sin even worse than child rape or murder if you were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, wouldn't you?"

The answer: (http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.php?109590-Islam-is-ANTICHRIST&p=3250933&viewfull=1#post3250933)

"Enough of the condescension - OF COURSE I - and even you and anybody else making that "confession" would be committing the one HEINOUS sin that God does not forgive. And that is exactly why Paul made it so! Remember that Jesus preached in the temple as a child of 12 authoritatively, and completely demolished their Rabbis' and the Pharisees' authority, so what better way to attack Jesus' fold than to corrupt his teachings from the inside, and make the new religion's teachings depend on a heinous sin in Jews' eyes, attributing a son to God Almighty. It worked! Most Jews would have nothing to do with Paul's teachings, and Jesus' teachings as well, because by preaching that Jesus was crucified and killed, in Jewish eyes, he could not have been the Messiah, since a person hung on a tree is cursed, and the Messiah would not be one who was cursed or killed before he would rule the world from Jerusalem."

The effort it took to drag that confession out of him may be testament as to the potential power of this subject in convicting Muhammad's followers. It seems utterly unbelievable to non-Muslims that another human being's mind could be rendered so horrifically and dysfunctional, in terms of being unable to discern the difference between right and wrong and good and evil, but it does help us understand why it is so easy for Muhammad's true followers to murder non-Muslims in their effort to conquer the world and subjugate all people on earth to Muhammad's followers. To make all people on earth believe that murder is less of a sin than confessing that Jesus is the Son of God.

This from our own forum that I added later from the page that follows (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14244#msg14244):

"To answer your question Plainly every Christian will tell you there is only One God and that One God is made up of three parts, that is blasphemy and the greatest of all sins yes it is ascribing partners to God, (shirk)."

[edit add 1-17-13] Yet another. After pointing out how YHWH revealed Himself in the flesh of a man to Abraham a member of this forum replied:
"For Him to take the form of a man, according to ours [god] would be an abomination-a sin beyond any other that is unforgivable if one dies in that state, unless he or she repents and turns to the one and only lord."
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3485.msg14574#msg14574
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"The sin of shirk is to associate partners with Allah, basically this means to set up idols and false deities alongside Allah, granting them equal status to Allah, and to give them actions which are only reserved for God alone, such as worshipping them, making oaths to them, having fear and hope in them, and to sacrifice things in their name. All of this constitutes shirk, an example is the case of Jesus, those who set him up as a God, and invoke on him and pray to him are guilty of shirk, they are guilty of setting up a partner to the true God Allah.

In this article we shall cite the forms of shirk that can occur, however so before doing this let us post the verses which show the serious consequences and magnitude of this sin:"

4.048 Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.

Sura 4.116 Allah forgiveth not (The sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right).
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Thus Muslims must believe that each and every Christian, for the last 2,000 years, has committed the ONLY unpardonable sin and gone on to the hell of Muhammad's overactive imagination, forever. This even though Muhammad contradicts himself:

Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and christians, and sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)

Not only Christians, but even the monotheistic moon god worshipers, the Sabians "shall have their reward"!
Shirk to even invoke the name of other than the Arabian pagan deity "Allah":

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Amusingly, some of Muhammad's followers even try to suggest that the "injeel", or Gospel, was somehow lost. Yet by Muhammad's 7th century, the Gospel had been translated into every popular language known to man, copied many tens of thousands of times, and had been read all over the known world for centuries, when Muhammad quipped:

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

So Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" instructs Christians to judge by what is revealed in the Gospel, while hypocritically condemning us for committing his only unforgivable sin, for doing as he instructed!!!

I encourage members to log-in to Muslim forums and raise this subject as a question like "Do you really believe....", and report back with their answers. I can't presently imagine anything that could be much more convicting to a follower of Muhammad that has even a trace of God's Spirit on him.

In light of this concept of "shirk" and so much more that is antichrist in Islam, it is stunning to note how the church has been blinded through unsound 20th century eschatology, that necessarily precludes even considering, that Muhammad could be THE false prophet of the book of Revelation.

Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on September 17, 2012, 04:43:09 PM
1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]

3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

4. 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

5. 1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

6. 2 KINGS 5:15 — And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.

7. 2 Kings 19:15 — And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.
8. 1 Chronicles 17:20 — O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

9. Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

10. Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

11. Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.

12. Isaiah 37:16,20 — O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. (20) Now therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.

13. Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he:before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

14. Isaiah44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

15. Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.

16. Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.

17. Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.

18. Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

19. Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

20. Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

21. John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

22. Romans 3:30 — Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, andthat there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.ambiguous statement or it is a direct contradiction of the LORD your God is one.

24. Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

25. Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Jesus is nowhere in the picture
26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
27. 1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
28. James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on September 17, 2012, 04:45:43 PM
ABOUT SHRIK

Qur'an: "Allah forgives not (The sin of) joining other gods With Him; but He forgives Whom He pleases other sins Than this: one who joins Other gods with Allah, Has strayed far, far away (From the Right)." [4:116]

Qur'an: " "They do blaspheme who say: 'Allah is Christ the son Of Mary.' But said Christ: 'O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord And your Lord'. Whoever joins other gods with Allah - Allah will forbid him the Garden, and the Fire Will be his abode. There will for the wrongdoers Be no one to help."[5:72]

Qur'an:" We sent a Messenger to every nation, sayings worship Allah and avoid the idols. Amongst them were some whom Allah guided, and some justly disposed to error. Travel in the land and see what was the end of those belied ( the revelation and the Prophets ) "[16:36]

Bible: "And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcass upon the carcass of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you." [Leviticus 26:30]

Bible: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God." [The Bible, Exodus 20:3-5] [The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:7-9]

Hindu Scriptures: Of Him there are neither parents nor lord." [Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]

Hindu Scriptures: " They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time" (Yajur Veda 40:9.)

Hindu Scriptures: "Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures." [Bhagavad Gita 7:20]”
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on September 17, 2012, 04:52:37 PM
1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.] irrelevant as it is conjecture

Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on September 17, 2012, 06:00:27 PM
1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.] irrelevant as it is conjecture
That is how you can rest assured that Christians believe in ONE God.

Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:   

You already goofed up your quoting Muj by removing the last [/ quote] tag. I had to go back and fix this post. Please go practice if you need to.
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on September 17, 2012, 06:10:55 PM
23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, andthat there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.ambiguous statement or it is a direct contradiction of the LORD your God is one.
No contradiction in any of this. Jesus IS God. As He continued to reveal Himself to us it became increasingly clear to those around Him. Indeed the Jews wanted to stone Him for the blasphemy of declaring His divinity.

Jhn 10:30 I and [my] Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

They crucified Him for declaring Himself the Son of God:

Jhn 19:6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify [him], crucify [him]. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify [him]: for I find no fault in him. 7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=611.0
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=610.0

You continue to crucify Him with your blasphemy against the Son of God.
Jesus is the way God chose to reveal Himself to us. After His crucifixion, death and resurrection He left no question about His divinity.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Deny that at your own peril.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

When God manifest Himself in the flesh of Jesus Christ, wasn't the first time He did so. He also visited Abraham as a man in the flesh:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2358.0

It would be doing you a disservice to continue on in discussion on the divinity of Christ, or His Sonship as revealed through hundreds of verses, as long as you continue to reject the whole subject of the Gospel because of your faith in Muhammad alone. Rejecting the whole subject of the Gospel which is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah, who saves all from sin who have faith in His shed blood. We need to start with first things first, and the first thing in Christianity, is the whole subject of the Gospel.

Please read the apostles accounts of this event:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1175.0
Or try the movie:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2605.0

It might help you if you understand where Muhammad likely got his gnostic denial from.
http://brotherpete.com/simon_magnus_gnostics_ebionites_islam.htm
24. Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

25. Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Jesus is nowhere in the picture
26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
27. 1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
28. James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on September 17, 2012, 06:35:12 PM
Now let's discuss "shirk" a little more. Muj, if you were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God would you be committing the only unforgivable sin according to Muhammad?

Would that sin be worse than say, child rape, or even cold blooded murder?
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on September 19, 2012, 09:50:40 AM
23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, andthat there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.ambiguous statement or it is a direct contradiction of the LORD your God is one.
No contradiction in any of this. Jesus IS God. As He continued to reveal Himself to us it became increasingly clear to those around Him. Indeed the Jews wanted to stone Him for the blasphemy of declaring His divinity.

Jhn 10:30 I and [my] Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

They crucified Him for making Himself the Son of God:




MANY OF THE PREVIOUS PROPHETS ARE CALLED SONS OF GOD (NOTHING UNIQUE THERE)

I HAVE SEARCHED THE LENGTH AND BREADTH OF THE BIBLES OF THIS WORLD AND NOT A SINGLE IN A SINGLE VERSE DOES JESUS OR HIS DISCIPLES SAY "HE IS THE ONE GOD"



FURTHER MORE your conjecture of the NICEAN COUNCIL;S Pagan doctrine infuses Greek and Roman Philosophy of FAMILY OF GODS WITH A SINGLE GOD THEORY OF "GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON AND GOD THE HOLY  GHOST"  DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT EQUATES WITH "THE LORD YOUR GOD IS ONE (THE WORD IS ACTUALLY UNIQUE)
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on September 19, 2012, 10:09:13 AM
I fixed your post. Why do you keep removing the last [/ quote] tag when you quote a post? Leave that tag and type after it. Please go practice.
23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, andthat there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.ambiguous statement or it is a direct contradiction of the LORD your God is one.
No contradiction in any of this. Jesus IS God. As He continued to reveal Himself to us it became increasingly clear to those around Him. Indeed the Jews wanted to stone Him for the blasphemy of declaring His divinity.

Jhn 10:30 I and [my] Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

They crucified Him for making Himself the Son of God:




MANY OF THE PREVIOUS PROPHETS ARE CALLED SONS OF GOD (NOTHING UNIQUE THERE)

Please copy and paste that last comment into the following related forum thread:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=611.0
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on September 19, 2012, 10:14:03 AM
I HAVE SEARCHED THE LENGTH AND BREADTH OF THE BIBLES OF THIS WORLD AND NOT A SINGLE IN A SINGLE VERSE DOES JESUS OR HIS DISCIPLES SAY "HE IS THE ONE GOD"
Your search is over. I quoted you two perfect examples in the very post you were quoting.
The truth is obvious enough as detailed in many forum threads.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=571.0
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=108.0
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=570.0

Why would you think Jesus would have been under any obligation to quote you, or the Greek sophist styled buffoonery of Ahmed Deedat, that you parrot? Please visit the following link to help you understand, why you don't understand.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2306.0
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on September 19, 2012, 10:15:05 AM
Now please reply to the subject of this thread, "shirk", and the question I posed at the following link.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14149#msg14149
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 01, 2012, 02:21:54 AM
It's time to focus on a single thread at a time Muj. Do not post in multiple threads as the off-topic redundancy is time wasting. I received no reply to the questions in this post, posted on two occasions over two weeks, and until I do your posts on all other threads will be split off and collected in spam. Regarding the topic of "shirk" I asked:

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 01, 2012, 08:06:57 AM

MANY OF THE PREVIOUS PROPHETS ARE CALLED SONS OF GOD (NOTHING UNIQUE THERE)

Please copy and paste that last comment into the following related forum thread:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=611.0

Instead of continuing to ignore my prior post, please copy and paste this claim you made, on the thread on which I asked you to 12 days ago, at the link provided. Then we can chat on 2 threads simultaneously - unless you keep ignoring my posts.
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on October 01, 2012, 06:49:14 PM
It's time to focus on a single thread at a time Muj. Do not post in multiple threads as the off-topic redundancy is time wasting. I received no reply to the questions in this post, posted on two occasions over two weeks, and until I do your posts on all other threads will be split off and collected in spam. Regarding the topic of "shirk" I asked:

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?

 
1. ACCORDING TO ALL THE PROPHETS OF GOD IF ANYONE SAYS THAT GOD CAN GIVE BIRTH TO HIMSELF THEN TELL A LIE THAT HE IS ACTUALLY THE SON OF GOD THEN HE IS COMMITTING THE GREATEST SIN OF ALL. WORST OF ALL YOU SAY THAT HE DIED AND ROSE AGAIN LIKE ITS A MIRACLE AND HE DID NOT DEMONSTRATE THAT HE CAN BRING THE DEAD TO LIFE SO WHY NOT HIMSELF. I DONT THINK THE NICEAN COUNCIL THOUGHT THIS THROUGH WELL ENOUGH TO BE CONVINCING TO A BELIEVER IN GOD.

2. TO BE ABLE TO RAPE AN INNOCENT GIRL LIKE MANY AMERICANS DO CHECK THE LATEST RAPE STATS: ONE HAS TO BE DEVOID OF ANY BELIEF OR MORALS AND THEREFORE CAPABLE OF ANY GRUESOME ACT. HOWEVER YOUR ANALOGY HOLDS NO GROUND WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROPHET OR THE PEOPLE THAT DIED IN ORDER FOR GODS RELIGION TO BE ESTABLISHED ON EARTH.

AFTER ALL IF YOU SAY A SON OF GOD (ALLAH FORGIVE ME) CAN BE SACRIFICED FOR THE GREATER GOOD THEN WHAT ARE THE DEATHS OF MERE MORTALS COMPARED TO THAT?
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 01, 2012, 06:51:55 PM
That was non-responsive. Headed for spam. Please answer the questions. A simple yes or now will do but I can understand why you are afraid to give an honest answer, and what it means about the Quraish pagan's god "Allah".
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on October 01, 2012, 07:00:08 PM
That was non-responsive. Headed for spam. Please answer the questions. A simple yes or now will do but I can understand why you are afraid to give an honest answer, and what it means about the Quraish pagan's god "Allah".

ARE YOU MAD?
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 01, 2012, 07:02:38 PM
That was non-responsive. Headed for spam. Please answer the questions. A simple yes or now will do but I can understand why you are afraid to give an honest answer, and what it means about the Quraish pagan's god "Allah".

ARE YOU MAD?

If answering two questions was too difficult let's try one at a time. It isn't a trick question.

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

Maybe it would help if I expand a little.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

So you can see that for almost 2,000 years each and every Christian has necessarily committed Muhammad's only unforgivable sin, because of the hundreds of verses in the Gospel that describe the relationship between the Son of God (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=611.0) and God His father (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=610.0).
By the same token everyone that denied that Jesus is the Son of God, could not only not possibly be a Christian, but according to the Gospel is an ANTICHRIST.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

So you can see that one must choose.
You choose to be an antichrist that rejects Jesus Christ, the Son of God, as revealed through all of the prophets and witnesses of the one true God of the scriptures, to follow Muhammad alone through the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and thinly veneered Arabian pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals.

Do you understand that every single Christian for nearly 2,000 years, has necessarily committed the - stand-alone false prophet Muhammad's foolish - "only unforgivable sin (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7kHfNGpQxmQA.EVXNyoA?p=only%20unforgivable%20sin%20shirk&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-701)"?
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on October 02, 2012, 03:41:33 AM
That was non-responsive. Headed for spam. Please answer the questions. A simple yes or now will do but I can understand why you are afraid to give an honest answer, and what it means about the Quraish pagan's god "Allah".

ARE YOU MAD?

If answering two questions was too difficult let's try one at a time. It isn't a trick question.

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

Maybe it would help if I expand a little.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

So you can see that for almost 2,000 years each and every Christian has necessarily committed Muhammad's only unforgivable sin, because of the hundreds of verses in the Gospel that describe the relationship between the Son of God (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=611.0) and God His father (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=610.0).
By the same token everyone that denied that Jesus is the Son of God, could not only not possibly be a Christian, but according to the Gospel is an ANTICHRIST.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

So you can see that one must choose.
You choose to be an antichrist that rejects Jesus Christ, the Son of God, as revealed through all of the prophets and witnesses of the one true God of the scriptures, to follow Muhammad alone through the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and thinly veneered Arabian pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals.

Do you understand that every single Christian for nearly 2,000 years, has necessarily committed the - stand-alone false prophet Muhammad's foolish - "only unforgivable sin (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7kHfNGpQxmQA.EVXNyoA?p=only%20unforgivable%20sin%20shirk&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-701)"?

YES YOU COMMIT SHIRK IF YOU SAY GOD HAS A SON (A LITERAL SON) GOD IS NOT A MAN, BEGETS NOT NOR BEGOTTEN. AND SCRIPTURE CONFIRMS THAT: SHOW ME A VERSE THAT STATES IT PLAINLY, NOT A REFERENCE OR AND AMBIGUOUS STATEMENT ONE VERSE THAT SAYS: I JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND I AM GOD WORSHIP ME.

To answer your question Plainly every Christian will tell you there is only One God and that One God is made up of three parts, THAT IS BLASPHEMY AND THE GREATEST OF ALL SINS YES IT IS ASCRIBING PARTNERS TO GOD, (SHIRK)

THE GOSPELS MAY HAVE WRITTEN AN AMBIGUOUS STATEMENT REFERING TO THE SON AND TO GOD BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT JESUS OR THE PREVIOUS PROPHETS MADE SUCH AMBIGUOUS STATEMENTS. AND YOUR CONJECTURE THAT THEREFORE JESUS IS THE LITERAL SON (AS IF GOD WOULD SEND HIS SPERM WITH ANGEL GABRIEL AND ARTIFICIALLY INSEMINATE MARY; WHAT UTTER NONESENSE AND UNDIGNIFIED MANNER

SECONDLY THERE ARE NO UPPER AND LOWER CASE IN ARAMAIC OR HEBREW AND THEREFORE IBN (SON OF) WOULD APPEAR AS EXACTLY THE SAME TITLE FOR ALL THE SONS OF GOD ONLY THING THAT WOULD MAKE IT DIFFERENT IS CONJECTURE AND NOW MAKING IT A CAPITAL LETTER>

JOHN 2;22 Does not State that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD IT STATES THAT IF YOU REJECT THE SCRIPTURE OF JESUS (INJEEL WHICH IS LOST) THEN YOU REJECT ALLAH, ALL THE PROPHETS COME WITH A MESSAGE FROM GOD,

ABRAHAM CAME WITH THE ABSOLUTE UNITY AND BELIEF IN GOD AND GOD ALONE NO PARTNERS AND NO MEDIUMS THROUGH WHICH TO WORSHIP< NO MANIFESTATIONS AND DEFINITELY NO OFFSPRING

MOSES CAME WITH THE LAWS OF GOD and BELIEF IN GOD AND GOD ALONE
DAVID WITH THE MESSAGE OF PSALMS and BELIEF IN GOD AND GOD ALONE
SOLOMON IS THE WISDOM AND VAST AND ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES OF PRAYER and BELIEF IN GOD AND GOD ALONE

JESUS CAME WITH THE MESSAGE OF LOVE HOPE AND CHARITY and the BELIEF IN GOD AND GOD ALONE to fulfill the laws

MUHAMMAD WAS SENT TO SHOW US the truth of ALL THE SCRIPTURE and what ALLAH wants from us and how to carry it out so that it may be BENEFICIAL TO ALL OF MANKIND;

MUSLIMS NOW NUMBER 26% of the Worlds Population and growing daily, CHRISTIANS NEEDED THE INQUISITION AND NOW YOUR TACTICS ARE FALSE RHETORIC AND TRYING TO DISPLAY KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURE

YOU AND YOUR TEAM IS JUST PLAIN ARROGANT AND A HARD HEART CANNOT RECEIVE GUIDANCE FROM ALLAH:

OPEN HEART TO THE TRUTH SEEK GUIDANCE:

I PRAY FIVE TIMES A DAY TO ALLAH (NAME OF GOD) FOR GUIDANCE TO THE PATH OF ALL THE PROPHETS THAT HAS COME TO EARTH: ALL THE THE PROPHETS UNDERSTOOD THE MESSAGE OF THERE IS NO GOD BUT GOD (ALLAH) AND NONE IS WORTHY OF WORSHIP BESIDES HIM



Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 02, 2012, 05:10:58 AM
You keep trying to complicate your posts in efforts to run away from the one true God.

Do you understand that every single Christian for nearly 2,000 years, has necessarily committed the - stand-alone false prophet Muhammad's foolish - "only unforgivable sin (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7kHfNGpQxmQA.EVXNyoA?p=only%20unforgivable%20sin%20shirk&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-701)"?

YES YOU COMMIT SHIRK IF YOU SAY GOD HAS A SON .....

So every single Christian over 2,000 years has necessarily committed Muhammad's only unforgivable sin by following the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Condemned forever according to a 7th century mass murdering, female prisoner abusing, self-admitted terrorist and thief.
Yet Christians follow the same Gospel of Muhammad's 7th century, as it was in the 4th century, as it was in the 1st century.

This while if a follower of Muhammad alone, commits cold-blooded mass murder, rapes female prisoners, and lives off of the property stolen from others, it maybe forgiven him.

1. Does that describe the judgment of a just God to you?
2. Do you think a just God would give us the Gospel to follow - that includes hundreds of verses regarding the Father (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=610.0) and His Son (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=611.0) - and then condemn every single person, that has ever followed the Gospel to to hell forever, for having followed the Gospel that He gave us?
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 02, 2012, 05:32:10 AM
YES YOU COMMIT SHIRK IF YOU SAY GOD HAS A SON (A LITERAL SON) GOD IS NOT A MAN, BEGETS NOT NOR BEGOTTEN. AND SCRIPTURE CONFIRMS THAT: SHOW ME A VERSE THAT STATES IT PLAINLY, NOT A REFERENCE OR AND AMBIGUOUS STATEMENT ONE VERSE THAT SAYS: I JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND I AM GOD WORSHIP ME.

Why would you think the one true God of the Jews and Christians, would be under any obligation, to directly quote the Greek sophist styled buffoonery of Ahmed Deedat? God revealed Himself the way that He did. Period. We can only understand Him through the record He gave us. And we can only fully understand that record when we are ready to put our trust in Him. Ever since the cross, and the new covenant was revealed, we are to worship in the name of Jesus - that would be "shirk" to you:

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The ONE mediator between man and God:

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

You are unable to understand the Gospel, for the same reason Jesus spoke in parables:

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.

You remain unrepentant and disobedient - even prostrating yourself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol five times a day - so you cannot understand.

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

You never even read the Gospel, so how could you expect to understand ANYTHING, except the foolish lies of antichrists like Ahmed Deedat?

You have ignored me repeatedly, to run and hide from the truth, so until you honor the request I made several times of you, over 2 weeks, for you to copy and paste your statement.....
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14237#msg14237

"MANY OF THE PREVIOUS PROPHETS ARE CALLED SONS OF GOD (NOTHING UNIQUE THERE)"

.....into the thread at the following link, I am going to move every single post of yours into spam (except perhaps your reply to the prior post if you replied before reading this one).
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=611.0

If you are reluctant to copy and paste it into that thread, because you now realize how ridiculous that suggestion is, then simply admit it, and I will not request that you do it again.
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 02, 2012, 06:08:33 AM
To answer your question Plainly every Christian will tell you there is only One God and that One God is made up of three parts, THAT IS BLASPHEMY AND THE GREATEST OF ALL SINS YES IT IS ASCRIBING PARTNERS TO GOD, (SHIRK)

Do you believe Muhammad's "Allah" has a spirit, or was Muhammad lying?

Sura 32.9: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!

Exd 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Sura 15.29: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=174.0
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on October 02, 2012, 06:51:31 AM
To answer your question Plainly every Christian will tell you there is only One God and that One God is made up of three parts, THAT IS BLASPHEMY AND THE GREATEST OF ALL SINS YES IT IS ASCRIBING PARTNERS TO GOD, (SHIRK)

Do you believe Muhammad's "Allah" has a spirit, or was Muhammad lying?

Sura 32.9: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!

Exd 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Sura 15.29: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=174.0

YES ALLAH BREATHED OF HIS SPIRIT INTO NABI ADAM, AND SENT ANGEL GABRIEL TO PLACE IT INTO THE WOMB OF MARY< JUST LIKE IT IS WITHIN ALL OF US

Do you know what the spirit is? When you Say SPIRIT YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE SPIRIT IS THE COMMAND OF ALLAH: AMR

"And they ask you about the soul(SPIRIT/ RUH). Say: The soul (RUH/ SPIRIT) is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little."
Quraan: Sura, Al Isra' Ch 17 Ayat 85

WHAT IS A SPIRIT?
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 02, 2012, 06:53:21 AM
THE GOSPELS MAY HAVE WRITTEN AN AMBIGUOUS STATEMENT REFERING TO THE SON AND TO GOD BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT JESUS OR THE PREVIOUS PROPHETS MADE SUCH AMBIGUOUS STATEMENTS. AND YOUR CONJECTURE THAT THEREFORE JESUS IS THE LITERAL SON (AS IF GOD WOULD SEND HIS SPERM WITH ANGEL GABRIEL AND ARTIFICIALLY INSEMINATE MARY; WHAT UTTER NONESENSE AND UNDIGNIFIED MANNER

Now you are trying to assign beliefs to us that we don't hold, in efforts to run away from God. Christians do not believe that God had sex with Mary.
However Mary did not conceive Jesus on her own, did she. She is only the mother. The vessel that carried Jesus.
God is Jesus' Father as revealed in hundreds of verses - that blasphemous antichrists deny.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=610.0

SECONDLY THERE ARE NO UPPER AND LOWER CASE IN ARAMAIC OR HEBREW AND THEREFORE IBN (SON OF) WOULD APPEAR AS EXACTLY THE SAME TITLE FOR ALL THE SONS OF GOD ONLY THING THAT WOULD MAKE IT DIFFERENT IS CONJECTURE AND NOW MAKING IT A CAPITAL LETTER>

That's pathetic. It's CONTEXT that tells us. The upper and lower case is simply a convenience of translation. Now read ALL of the verses that regard THE SON OF GOD, while ignoring the upper and lower case.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=611.0

JOHN 2;22 Does not State that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD IT STATES THAT IF YOU REJECT THE SCRIPTURE OF JESUS .......

Is that what it says? Perhaps I included a little too much context. Let's look again:

1 John 2:22 .....He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

Is something about that difficult to understand? Let's try a little more context:

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
                           
1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
                     
2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.   

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Did a little more context help clear things up for you?
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 02, 2012, 06:56:18 AM
 
JOHN 2;22 Does not State that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD IT STATES THAT IF YOU REJECT THE SCRIPTURE OF JESUS (INJEEL WHICH IS LOST) ......

That's hilarious Muj! How could someone reject something that doesn't exist??????

By Muhammad's 7th century, the Gospel had been translated into every popular language, had been copied perhaps a hundred thousand times, and the Gospel had been read all over the known world for centuries. So which Gospel was Muhammad talking about when he said:

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

Can you see how utterly ridiculous it is for you to pretend that the Gospel was somehow lost?
Plus Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" would be telling us to go by what is revealed in the Gospel, and then condemning us forever, by committing the only unpardonable sin!!!!

YOU HAVE NO GOSPEL because you follow a mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, self-admitted terrorist and thief.
All you know about Jesus, comes from an Egyptian apocryphal fable called "The Gospel of the Infancy of Jesus Christ", that Muhammad poorly plagiarized and customized to fit his blasphemy.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=893.0

....... THEN YOU REJECT ALLAH, ALL THE PROPHETS COME WITH A MESSAGE FROM GOD,

I follow ALL of the prophets and witnesses, as revealed through the 1600 year record of YHVH to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years.

You follow Muhammad alone, through his stand-alone 23 year 7th century blasphemous record that proclaims the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 02, 2012, 07:04:02 AM
To answer your question Plainly every Christian will tell you there is only One God and that One God is made up of three parts, THAT IS BLASPHEMY AND THE GREATEST OF ALL SINS YES IT IS ASCRIBING PARTNERS TO GOD, (SHIRK)

Do you believe Muhammad's "Allah" has a spirit, or was Muhammad lying?

Sura 32.9: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!

Exd 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Sura 15.29: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=174.0

YES ALLAH BREATHED OF HIS SPIRIT INTO NABI ADAM, AND SENT ANGEL GABRIEL TO PLACE IT INTO THE WOMB OF MARY

So you're saying that Jesus was only a spirit?

< JUST LIKE IT IS WITHIN ALL OF US

Just like, eigh? So you're saying that our mothers conceived us, not by an act of our dads, but by God?

Do you know what the spirit is? When you Say SPIRIT YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE SPIRIT IS THE COMMAND OF ALLAH: AMR

You are just trying to pretend you are not guilty of the same blasphemy that you accuse Christians of! Your "Allah" said OF HIS SPIRIT. So he has a spirit. That's the same that Jews and Christians believe about the one true God of the scriptures.

If "spirit" means "command" then why is the term "command" used 129 times, in 120 verses, in the Quran???!!!!
http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=command&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

You're biggest problem in understanding the trinity, is that Muhammad was so ignorant he understood that Christians believed Mary was part of the "trinity"!

Surah 5:116 - And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?"

Just as Muhammad's satanic verses in which he tried to be inclusive of the Quraish pagans by adding, along with the moon god "Allah", "Allat" the sun goddess his wife, and Uzza and Manat that were planet daughters of Allah and Allat:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2274.0


"And they ask you about the soul(SPIRIT/ RUH). Say: The soul (RUH/ SPIRIT) is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little."
Quraan: Sura, Al Isra' Ch 17 Ayat 85

WHAT IS A SPIRIT?

It is what the one true God of the scriptures imparts into His people as you can see from the Old Testament verse that I quoted. Also from the Gospel.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2999.0

It's what makes the one true God's people, His temple.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm

Another spirit is the spirit of antichrist, that Satan imparts into his people. A spirit that makes Satan's followers engage in such things as imperialistic mass murder, female prisoner rape (http://brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm), modern day slavery (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=456.0), terrorism and the theft of the property of others.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0
A spirit that would cause someone to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and reject the love of the one true God, expressed therein.
It is a lying spirit that would cause someone to say that the Gospel was lost, or corrupted.
A spirit that would cause someone to deny the Son of God and reject His blood that would save them.
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on October 02, 2012, 02:02:55 PM
To answer your question Plainly every Christian will tell you there is only One God and that One God is made up of three parts, THAT IS BLASPHEMY AND THE GREATEST OF ALL SINS YES IT IS ASCRIBING PARTNERS TO GOD, (SHIRK)

Do you believe Muhammad's "Allah" has a spirit, or was Muhammad lying?

Sura 32.9: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!

Exd 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Sura 15.29: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=174.0 (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=174.0)

YES ALLAH BREATHED OF HIS SPIRIT INTO NABI ADAM, AND SENT ANGEL GABRIEL TO PLACE IT INTO THE WOMB OF MARY

So you're saying that Jesus was only a spirit?

< JUST LIKE IT IS WITHIN ALL OF US

Just like, eigh? So you're saying that our mothers conceived us, not by an act of our dads, but by God?

Do you know what the spirit is? When you Say SPIRIT YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE SPIRIT IS THE COMMAND OF ALLAH: AMR

You are just trying to pretend you are not guilty of the same blasphemy that you accuse Christians of! Your "Allah" said OF HIS SPIRIT. So he has a spirit. That's the same that Jews and Christians believe about the one true God of the scriptures.

If "spirit" means "command" then why is the term "command" used 129 times, in 120 verses, in the Quran???!!!!
http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=command&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all (http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=command&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all)

You're biggest problem in understanding the trinity, is that Muhammad was so ignorant he understood that Christians believed Mary was part of the "trinity"!

Surah 5:116 - And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?"

Just as Muhammad's satanic verses in which he tried to be inclusive of the Quraish pagans by adding, along with the moon god "Allah", "Allat" the sun goddess his wife, and Uzza and Manat that were planet daughters of Allah and Allat:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2274.0 (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2274.0)


"And they ask you about the soul(SPIRIT/ RUH). Say: The soul (RUH/ SPIRIT) is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little."
Quraan: Sura, Al Isra' Ch 17 Ayat 85

WHAT IS A SPIRIT?

It is what the one true God of the scriptures imparts into His people as you can see from the Old Testament verse that I quoted. Also from the Gospel.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2999.0 (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2999.0)

It's what makes the one true God's people, His temple.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm (http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm)

Another spirit is the spirit of antichrist, that Satan imparts into his people. A spirit that makes Satan's followers engage in such things as imperialistic mass murder, female prisoner rape (http://brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm), modern day slavery (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=456.0), terrorism and the theft of the property of others.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0 (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0)
A spirit that would cause someone to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and reject the love of the one true God, expressed therein.
It is a lying spirit that would cause someone to say that the Gospel was lost, or corrupted.
A spirit that would cause someone to deny the Son of God and reject His blood that would save them.

YOU ARGUING WITH ABSURDITIES:

YOUR QUESTIONS ARE ABSURD AND YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION

WHAT IS A "SPIRIT" OR WHAT IS "THE SPIRIT" OR MORE DIRECTLY WHAT IS THE "SPIRIT OF GOD" ACCORDING TO YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE NICEAN COUNCIL DOCTRINES
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 02, 2012, 02:26:01 PM

"And they ask you about the soul(SPIRIT/ RUH). Say: The soul (RUH/ SPIRIT) is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little."
Quraan: Sura, Al Isra' Ch 17 Ayat 85

WHAT IS A SPIRIT?

It is what the one true God of the scriptures imparts into His people as you can see from the Old Testament verse that I quoted. Also from the Gospel.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2999.0 (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2999.0)

It's what makes the one true God's people, His temple.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm (http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm)

Another spirit is the spirit of antichrist, that Satan imparts into his people. A spirit that makes Satan's followers engage in such things as imperialistic mass murder, female prisoner rape (http://brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm), modern day slavery (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=456.0), terrorism and the theft of the property of others.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0 (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0)
A spirit that would cause someone to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and reject the love of the one true God, expressed therein.
It is a lying spirit that would cause someone to say that the Gospel was lost, or corrupted.
A spirit that would cause someone to deny the Son of God and reject His blood that would save them.

YOU ARGUING WITH ABSURDITIES:

YOUR QUESTIONS ARE ABSURD AND YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION

WHAT IS A "SPIRIT" OR WHAT IS "THE SPIRIT" OR MORE DIRECTLY WHAT IS THE "SPIRIT OF GOD" ACCORDING TO YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE NICEAN COUNCIL DOCTRINES

The Spirit of God has nothing to do with Nicea, and everything to do with how God revealed His Spirit through Old and New Testament scripture. Your question was already asked and answered, in great detail, in the text of, and on the links provided in, the very post you quoted. You've reduced yourself to being capable of nothing more dithering on and wasting our mutual time. Your blasphemous, antichrist, Muhammadan foolishness, was all destroyed by the preceding posts. That's because you follow the father of lies through his prophet Muhammad, the antichrist who proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Start with my very first reply above, and reply to each detail, of each of all my posts, beginning with the post at this link.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14245#msg14245
Shorter answers are better, as you can see what a massive hole you dig for yourself, when you complicated your posts with several points. Quote each post, then remove everything between the very top tag and the very bottom tag except for the sentence or paragraph you are answering to - DO NOT LEAVE ANY OTHER TAGS. Since Muhammad and his band of cutthroat thieves took us all out of the dark ages, you should be able to handle that, shouldn't you?

If you can't engage constructively I'll offer you a 30 day time off, during which you can review our chat, and come up with constructive questions. Better yet, why don't you take the opportunity to read the Gospel?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm
Title: Re: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 03, 2012, 07:16:40 AM
It's time to focus on a single thread at a time Muj. Do not post in multiple threads as the off-topic redundancy is time wasting. I received no reply to the questions in this post, posted on two occasions over two weeks, and until I do your posts on all other threads will be split off and collected in spam. Regarding the topic of "shirk" I asked:

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?

 
1. ACCORDING TO ALL THE PROPHETS OF GOD IF ANYONE SAYS THAT GOD CAN GIVE BIRTH TO HIMSELF THEN TELL A LIE THAT HE IS ACTUALLY THE SON OF GOD THEN HE IS COMMITTING THE GREATEST SIN OF ALL.

Just because you are willing to spew a blasphemous lie doesn't mean it will magically come true. The Son of God was specifically prophesied in the Old Testament:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=611.0

WORST OF ALL YOU SAY THAT HE DIED AND ROSE AGAIN LIKE ITS A MIRACLE AND HE DID NOT DEMONSTRATE THAT HE CAN BRING THE DEAD TO LIFE SO WHY NOT HIMSELF. I DONT THINK THE NICEAN COUNCIL THOUGHT THIS THROUGH WELL ENOUGH TO BE CONVINCING TO A BELIEVER IN GOD.

2. TO BE ABLE TO RAPE AN INNOCENT GIRL LIKE MANY AMERICANS DO .......

You mean like your own prophet did when he defiled Aisha at the tender age of 9 years old.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=769.0

Or the female captives that Muhammad and his boys raped.

Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"
http://brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

....... CHECK THE LATEST RAPE STATS: ONE HAS TO BE DEVOID OF ANY BELIEF OR MORALS AND THEREFORE CAPABLE OF ANY GRUESOME ACT. HOWEVER YOUR ANALOGY HOLDS NO GROUND WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROPHET OR THE PEOPLE THAT DIED IN ORDER FOR GODS RELIGION TO BE ESTABLISHED ON EARTH.

And there you have it folks. Satan's people justifying Muhammad and his boys mass murder, rape and theft of the property of God's people, because the Jews refused to prostrate themselves to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and pray in the name of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah".

Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:30 "The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal of mine, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."

AFTER ALL IF YOU SAY A SON OF GOD (ALLAH FORGIVE ME) CAN BE SACRIFICED FOR THE GREATER GOOD .........

None of this is about what I say. It's the whole subject of the bible. It is everything:

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.
 
During the new covenant ushered in by the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, the Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus prophesied His own crucifixion, death and resurrection, and the purpose of it.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

......... THEN WHAT ARE THE DEATHS OF MERE MORTALS COMPARED TO THAT?

Not sure what you are asking, but I can help you out about your rejecting the blood of the Lamb of God that would otherwise save you, and where it got your phony "prophet":

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Rev 20:10    And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 03, 2012, 09:00:01 AM
Muj please follow these instructions, and catch up with points you missed, before posting in this or any other section of the forum.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14254#msg14254
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on October 03, 2012, 04:56:32 PM

"And they ask you about the soul(SPIRIT/ RUH). Say: The soul (RUH/ SPIRIT) is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little."
Quraan: Sura, Al Isra' Ch 17 Ayat 85

WHAT IS A SPIRIT?

It is what the one true God of the scriptures imparts into His people as you can see from the Old Testament verse that I quoted. Also from the Gospel.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2999.0 (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2999.0)

It's what makes the one true God's people, His temple.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm (http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm)

Another spirit is the spirit of antichrist, that Satan imparts into his people. A spirit that makes Satan's followers engage in such things as imperialistic mass murder, female prisoner rape (http://brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm), modern day slavery (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=456.0), terrorism and the theft of the property of others.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0 (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0)
A spirit that would cause someone to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and reject the love of the one true God, expressed therein.
It is a lying spirit that would cause someone to say that the Gospel was lost, or corrupted.
A spirit that would cause someone to deny the Son of God and reject His blood that would save them.

YOU ARGUING WITH ABSURDITIES:

YOUR QUESTIONS ARE ABSURD AND YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION

WHAT IS A "SPIRIT" OR WHAT IS "THE SPIRIT" OR MORE DIRECTLY WHAT IS THE "SPIRIT OF GOD" ACCORDING TO YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE NICEAN COUNCIL DOCTRINES

The Spirit of God has nothing to do with Nicea, and everything to do with how God revealed His Spirit through Old and New Testament scripture. Your question was already asked and answered, in great detail, in the text of, and on the links provided in, the very post you quoted. You've reduced yourself to being capable of nothing more dithering on and wasting our mutual time. Your blasphemous, antichrist, Muhammadan foolishness, was all destroyed by the preceding posts. That's because you follow the father of lies through his prophet Muhammad, the antichrist who proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Start with my very first reply above, and reply to each detail, of each of all my posts, beginning with the post at this link.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14245#msg14245
Shorter answers are better, as you can see what a massive hole you dig for yourself, when you complicated your posts with several points. Quote each post, then remove everything between the very top tag and the very bottom tag except for the sentence or paragraph you are answering to - DO NOT LEAVE ANY OTHER TAGS. Since Muhammad and his band of cutthroat thieves took us all out of the dark ages, you should be able to handle that, shouldn't you?

If you can't engage constructively I'll offer you a 30 day time off, during which you can review our chat, and come up with constructive questions. Better yet, why don't you take the opportunity to read the Gospel?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

I have read the Bible and the Scripture it appears that you have trouble understanding simple questions:

 where in the BIBLE (Biblios in Greek, Book in English) does it state what the SPIRIT is.

ALL THIS TIME YOU HAVE NEVER ASKED YOURSELF WHAT IS THE SPIRIT? IS IT ENERGY? IS IT A FORCE OR A LIGHT, IF IT IS FROM GOD THEN DID GOD CREATE A DARK SPIRIT (DONT FORGET THAT GOD IS THE CREATOR OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND MUHAMMAD AND SATAN).

Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on October 04, 2012, 07:00:43 AM

"And they ask you about the soul(SPIRIT/ RUH). Say: The soul (RUH/ SPIRIT) is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little."
Quraan: Sura, Al Isra' Ch 17 Ayat 85

WHAT IS A SPIRIT?

It is what the one true God of the scriptures imparts into His people as you can see from the Old Testament verse that I quoted. Also from the Gospel.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2999.0 (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2999.0)

It's what makes the one true God's people, His temple.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm (http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm)

Another spirit is the spirit of antichrist, that Satan imparts into his people. A spirit that makes Satan's followers engage in such things as imperialistic mass murder, female prisoner rape (http://brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm), modern day slavery (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=456.0), terrorism and the theft of the property of others.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0 (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=336.0)
A spirit that would cause someone to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and reject the love of the one true God, expressed therein.
It is a lying spirit that would cause someone to say that the Gospel was lost, or corrupted.
A spirit that would cause someone to deny the Son of God and reject His blood that would save them.

YOU ARGUING WITH ABSURDITIES:

YOUR QUESTIONS ARE ABSURD AND YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION

WHAT IS A "SPIRIT" OR WHAT IS "THE SPIRIT" OR MORE DIRECTLY WHAT IS THE "SPIRIT OF GOD" ACCORDING TO YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE NICEAN COUNCIL DOCTRINES

The Spirit of God has nothing to do with Nicea, and everything to do with how God revealed His Spirit through Old and New Testament scripture. Your question was already asked and answered, in great detail, in the text of, and on the links provided in, the very post you quoted. You've reduced yourself to being capable of nothing more dithering on and wasting our mutual time. Your blasphemous, antichrist, Muhammadan foolishness, was all destroyed by the preceding posts. That's because you follow the father of lies through his prophet Muhammad, the antichrist who proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Start with my very first reply above, and reply to each detail, of each of all my posts, beginning with the post at this link.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14245#msg14245
Shorter answers are better, as you can see what a massive hole you dig for yourself, when you complicated your posts with several points. Quote each post, then remove everything between the very top tag and the very bottom tag except for the sentence or paragraph you are answering to - DO NOT LEAVE ANY OTHER TAGS. Since Muhammad and his band of cutthroat thieves took us all out of the dark ages, you should be able to handle that, shouldn't you?

If you can't engage constructively I'll offer you a 30 day time off, during which you can review our chat, and come up with constructive questions. Better yet, why don't you take the opportunity to read the Gospel?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

I have read the Bible and the Scripture it appears that you have trouble understanding simple questions:

Far from being a simple question, it is one that you cannot even expect to understand the answer to, unless and until you repent.

where in the BIBLE (Biblios in Greek, Book in English) does it state what the SPIRIT is.

Through ALL of the scriptures that are related to the Spirit. That's why I directed you to links to the verses, and examples in context. You follow Muhammad alone - in the exact opposite of the whole subject that those scriptures reveal - and have been taught to believe that the things of the Spirit of God should be as simple to understand as the child-like mind of a 7th century, SW Arabian desert dwelling pagan illiterate, could imagine and conceive. And God IS that simple to come into relationship with, but the things of the Spirit of God ARE NOT that simple, to understand. And your effort here to understand, what you will not be able to understand until you are OF the Spirit - believing you can think your way to God - is the exact opposite of the way to God:

Mar 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

THE WAY to God:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

As long as you continue to put your faith in what to DISbelief, you will not be able to come into relationship with Jesus Christ, unless and until you repent. You put your faith in DISbelieving the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and REJECTING the blood of the perfect and sinless Lamb of God that He shed for you, and DENYING the Son of God, to following Muhammad alone - a sinful, mass murdering, child doing, prisoner abusing, terrorist thief - by prostrating yourself to an Arabian pagan idol. Where does scripture indicate we should prostrate to an idol? Even you know that throughout scripture we learn the exact opposite, yet the spirit of antichrist - of the father of lies in you - causes you to persist. Here's why you will not be able to understand the things of the Spirit of God until you repent and become OF the Spirit, with the Holy Spirit IN you:

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

So I'm really wasting my time to even try to explain the things of the Spirit of God to you because you choose willful disobedience. I write here for the benefit of read-only participants who are coming to understand that a mass murdering, prisoner abusing thief, and prostrating to a pagan idol, are not the way, and are genuinely seeking truth. Everyone who asks to be shown the way, through a contrite spirit, in Jesus name, will be shown the way. This is why Satan through his prophet Muhammad, has made you believe you would be committing the only unforgivable sin, to pray in Jesus' name.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

ALL THIS TIME YOU HAVE NEVER ASKED YOURSELF ......

I don't need to ask myself, when I can turn to the scriptures, and be given understanding through the Spirit.

...... WHAT IS THE SPIRIT? IS IT ENERGY?

The Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, is God Himself. God strives with each and every one of us. His spirit is on everyone. This is how atheists and other antichrists, can still roughly tell the difference between right and wrong, whether they act on it or continue their disobedience. This is how the unrepentant, may eventually be convicted and brought into repentance, once they are ready to stop fighting against Jesus Christ. Through God's Spirit ON them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FelW46AGu4

Once we repent and begin a relationship with Jesus Christ He puts His Spirit IN us. Comforts and guides us in all truth. The longer we are in relationship with Him, the less sinful we become, and the more responsibility He assigns to us. Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, guides each one of His flock, into our own unique area of kingdom business. Each given our own unique gift.

I used to be a boozer who slept in as I could. Now I usually wake up spontaneously between 4 and 5 AM, like a kid on Christmas morning, looking to see what Santa put under the tree. Each morning my eyes pop open in excitement, to see who and what the Lord will and has placed in my path, for me to engage in. I am in the kingdom of God and consumed with the Lord's work, and the old things of this world, like boats and travel and vacation homes have become nothing more than inconveniences and distractions rather than pleasures.

The Holy Spirit is God IN us. We increasingly become one with God. God IN us and we IN Him:

1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

IS IT A FORCE OR A LIGHT, ......

God is the light of men, through the Spirit.

John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.   2  The same was in the beginning with God.    3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.    4  In him was life; and the life was the light of men.   5  And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.   6  There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John. (note: This is a reference to John the Baptist, not John the apostle who penned this book.)   7  The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe.    8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light.  9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.    10  He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.   11  He came unto his own, and his own received him not.   12  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:    13  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.    14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

.... IF IT IS FROM GOD THEN DID GOD CREATE A DARK SPIRIT (DONT FORGET THAT GOD IS THE CREATOR OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND MUHAMMAD AND SATAN).
and Alexander the Great and Hitler and Polpot and all of the other men that were driven by Satan to follow him through greed, lust and revenge, as Muhammad was.
We have all been born in original sin, ever since Adam's fall. This is why we need God's Spirit to strive with us to understand. Otherwise we would all be lost. This is why we need God's Spirit IN us - to be born again - in order to be saved from the second death. This does not, however, mean we are all condemned from birth. I believe scripture indicates that folks may even be saved purely through ignorance:

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.

But you won't be able to plead ignorance, because you do have an understanding, and choose to reject the one true God of the scriptures of the Jews and Christians to follow the Muhammad alone. When you stand in judgment before the very Son of God you deny, you will only be able to plead willful disobedience, for following the false prophet Muhammad alone:

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

That is why we are so desperate for you my friend.
Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on November 12, 2012, 11:27:32 AM
That was non-responsive. Headed for spam. Please answer the questions. A simple yes or now will do but I can understand why you are afraid to give an honest answer, and what it means about the Quraish pagan's god "Allah".

Your yes or no question is absurd, your Quraish Pagan statements are out of your ignorance and foul mouth. You not a follower of Jesus or any Prophet of God in fact you a liar and a conjecturer, I have zero respect for your stupid rules, I donte care ban me from this site I have done my duty. You have been informed of your wrongdoing. If you wish me to teach you manners and conduct becoming of a human being I can gladly help you. You must be willing to learn and drop your arrogant belief that you actually know something everyone else does not.

Title: Re: The most deadly and only unforgivable sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on November 12, 2012, 11:48:53 AM
That was non-responsive. Headed for spam. Please answer the questions. A simple yes or now will do but I can understand why you are afraid to give an honest answer, and what it means about the Quraish pagan's god "Allah".

Your yes or no question is absurd, ........

Come on Muj. You pop in weeks apart, and pull things out of context and then try to reconfigure the conversation. The questions prior to what you quoted were:

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?

Your fellow follower of Muhammad from the OP didn't have any difficulty with it:

"Enough of the condescension - OF COURSE I - and even you and anybody else making that "confession" would be committing the one HEINOUS sin that God does not forgive."

Now you pretty much agreed with an unnecessary blizzard of words in an effort to dull your pain.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14244#msg14244

The question you have to ask yourself is, would a just God make confessing that Jesus is the Son of God or even praying in Jesus name, a sin worse than raping a little girl or cold-blooded mass murder?

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

You skipped over questions I asked about justice.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14245#msg14245
Every Christian throughout the Christian era, would have committed the only unforgivable sin according to Muhammad who came along 500 years after those scriptures were closed.
Do you see why you are having so much trouble answering? It shows you the backwards judgment of the stand-alone god of Muhammad's imagination that you follow.

....... your Quraish Pagan statements are out of your ignorance and foul mouth.

Do you prostrate yourself to the very same black stone idol that the Quraish pagans venerated long before Muhammad ever invented his religion - or not?
The answer is undeniably that you do indeed prostrate toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol. It a simple matter of irrefutable historical fact.

You not a follower of Jesus or any Prophet of God in fact you a liar and a conjecturer .......

One of us must necessarily be so. Either the one that follows Muhammad alone, who proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel. A member of a cult that follows Muhammad alone, whose "revelation" is an epic failure whether on the basis of scripture, history, archaeology or geography.

Alternatively the one of us that follows ALL of the prophets and witnesses as revealed through the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years is the "liar and conjecturer".

...... I have zero respect for your stupid rules, I donte care ban me from this site I have done my duty.

Unfortunately the "duty" of Muhammadans is to subjugate the rest of mankind to denying the Son of God and rejecting the blood He shed for all.

You have been informed of your wrongdoing.

My "wrongdoing" is supported by the scriptures that you must reject to follow Muhammad alone.

If you wish me to teach you manners and conduct becoming of a human being I can gladly help you. You must be willing to learn and drop your arrogant belief that you actually know something everyone else does not.

I have already learned quite enough. That Muhammad's followers are antichrists who have been commanded to subjugate all of mankind to denying the Son of God and rejecting the crucifixion of Christ and His shed blood that would save you.
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on December 04, 2012, 07:47:02 AM
Here's an example of the bondage that results:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090917101426AA3SseF
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on January 05, 2013, 03:05:18 AM
Here's an example of the bondage that results:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090917101426AA3SseF

Dear Peter your misguided isolated quotations, your remarks and opinion is of no consequence to the truth. Your BIBLE is flawed, corrupted text that uses the truth of the Prophets of GOD to misguide and lead mankind astray. IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF ALL THE TEACHINGS OF SCRIPTURE THROUGHOUT THE AGES. THE FACT IS THAT: THERE IS NO GOD except ALLAH, ALLAH is unique he begets not nor is he begotten and there is none like him.

ALLAH most merciful most gracious, created everything, NABI EESA is not the SON of GOD, he is not GOD and the story told in the new Testament is a corruption/deviation/misinterpretation or misguided political attempt of the NICEAN council to make a NABI a GOD.

It s a way to send millions to hell by committing shirk (ascribing partners to ALLAH.

The RUH is the command of GOD and we all have a RUH, NABI ADAM's (PBUH) RUH was placed in him directly by ALLAH, NABI EESA's (PBUH) RUH was placed in him by ANgel Gabriel, and our RUH is placed in our bodies by an ANGEL charged with the task. (PBUH-PEACE BE UPON HIM)

I believe this to be the truth and it is cemented by you as I have had to think long and hard about the truth. I prayed for guidance and your statements and Rhetoric became of no consequence as they are empty words devoid of action.

ISLAM is not a Doctrine or a GOSPEL or a Book it is divine instruction for actions and deeds to be judged by ALLAH ultimately on the Day of Reckoning.
The first of which is what do you believe about ALLAH almighty
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on January 05, 2013, 08:44:01 AM
Here's an example of the bondage that results:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090917101426AA3SseF
Dear Peter your misguided isolated quotations, your remarks and opinion is of no consequence to the truth. Your BIBLE is flawed, corrupted text that uses the truth of the Prophets of GOD to misguide and lead mankind astray. IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF ALL THE TEACHINGS OF SCRIPTURE THROUGHOUT THE AGES.
As always, those who follow the 7th century false prophet Muhammad alone, get it exactly backwards.
Jesus is the fulfillment of all of the teachings of scripture throughout the ages:

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.

Fulfilled in the perfect and complete sacrifice of the Lamb of God:

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

All you need is faith in the Messiah, the Lamb of God, and His shed blood, my friend. The one thing that Satan, through his prophet, forces you to reject. The whole subject of the Gospel, and indeed the whole bible.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
THE FACT IS THAT: THERE IS NO GOD except ALLAH, ALLAH is unique he begets not nor is he begotten and there is none like him.

ALLAH most merciful most gracious, created everything, NABI EESA is not the SON of GOD, he is not GOD and the story told in the new Testament is a corruption/deviation/misinterpretation or misguided political attempt of the NICEAN council to make a NABI a GOD.

It s a way to send millions to hell by committing shirk (ascribing partners to ALLAH.

The RUH is the command of GOD and we all have a RUH, NABI ADAM's (PBUH) RUH was placed in him directly by ALLAH, NABI EESA's (PBUH) RUH was placed in him by ANgel Gabriel, and our RUH is placed in our bodies by an ANGEL charged with the task. (PBUH-PEACE BE UPON HIM)

I believe this to be the truth and it is cemented by you as I have had to think long and hard about the truth. I prayed for guidance and your statements and Rhetoric became of no consequence as they are empty words devoid of action.
As long as you continue to pray to pray in the "vain repetitions of the heathen" toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca, in the name of the Arabian pagan's deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad, you are likely going to continue to come up short in regard to divine guidance.

You need to ask Jesus to answer your questions and resolve your doubts, as so many of your former brethren have.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Muslims4Jesus
ISLAM is not a Doctrine or a GOSPEL or a Book it is divine instruction for actions and deeds to be judged by ALLAH ultimately on the Day of Reckoning.
Indeed! Like fighting and slaying non-Muslims.
http://brotherpete.com/jihad.htm

And genocide of Jews
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/christian_zionism.htm#hitler_mufti

And prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca, and running back and forth between Al-Safa and Al-Marwah as the Arabian jinn-demon worshipers did.
http://brotherpete.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah
The first of which is what do you believe about ALLAH almighty
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Peter on January 05, 2013, 09:05:28 AM
Now let's discuss the topic of this thread. In the post above http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14391#msg14391 I wrote:

"Come on Muj. You pop in weeks apart," (and now you pop in months apart) "and pull things out of context and then try to reconfigure the conversation. The questions prior to what you quoted were:

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?"

Let me add number:

3. It would even constitute a sin even worse than the mass murder of those school children of some weeks back, wouldn't it?

Do you understand that the reason you continue to fail to answer these questions is because even you yourself can understand, what an evil and unjust god it is that you follow? That only your fake god Satan would be capable of such injustice, as suggesting that praying in Jesus name, would constitute a sin worse than the mass murder of children.

Your posts will go to spam until you answer.
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on January 07, 2013, 05:33:46 AM
See what happened because of your continuing refusal to learn to quote posts properly? I accidentally erased your post while trying to correct it. Sorry about that Muj.

But at least not before quoting this part of it in my reply.

DO NOT SPECULATE ON CIRCUMSTANCES YOU HAVE NO FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF: IT IS BLIND FOLLOWING OF A MEDIA THAT HAS AN AGENDA. I DO NOT CONDONE KILLING APART FROM DEFENDING ONESELF AGAINST AN ENEMY OF GOD.

Nobody is suggesting you condone killing Muj, even though the man you follow, was a mass murderer of innocent Jewish farm boys. Please try answering the questions this time. They only require "yes" or "no" answers:

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?"

Let me add number:

3. It would even constitute a sin even worse than the mass murder of those school children of some weeks back, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Bistabuster on June 01, 2013, 10:19:10 PM
Mujaheed...

I have a question for you.  Is it possible for Allah to be a multiple places at one time?  Can he be everywhere at one time?  How about inside someone?

I ask these questions because of the power of a God.  God can do ANYTHING!  Right?  If God wanted to do this, could he?  What if God wanted to come to us, find a woman, have sex with her and get her pregnant, could he do it?  Sure he could.  God can do ANYTHING.  If God can't do that, what else can he not do? 

You see.  You limit the capabilities of your god.  Think about it.  If God can indeed do anything, then you tell me how your god put Jesus in Mary as your Quran specifically states.  Jesus has no earthly father, correct?  You say god didn't have sex with her, correct?  Our Bible doesn't say God had sex with Mary either.  So, how did Mary become pregnant?  Jesus was born of her, that is true. 

The problem is you take what you are taught without asking important questions.  Now, I'm not being rude here, just trying to get you to think.  God created Jesus.  Is that a fair statement?  Forget about Scriptures and Bibles for now.  Just tell me how Mary was able to be pregnant when NO MAN even touched her.  By man's definition, that is impossible.  It can't be done!  But yet, there he (Jesus) is!  God put him there yet God did NOT have sex with her.  In fact, an angel came to Mary to tell her she's pregnant yet she found that impossible but she was indeed pregnant!  Would that mean since Jesus had no earthly father and God is the one who put Jesus there in the first place that God should be the Father?  If you had sex with someone and got a child, would not you be its father?  Of coarse you would.  How come God can't do that?

Think on this.  God created the entire universe, holds the world in perfect place, creates every living thing all the way down to the last cell, the waters, mountains, stars and anything else you can think of and he can't create a Son? 
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on June 13, 2013, 06:03:36 AM
God created Jesus.  Is that a fair statement?

Perhaps not. Jesus and God are coexistent from the beginning. From before the world was.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

This is just the first that caught my attention while googling the subject.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_God_create_Jesus
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: ExMilitary on July 29, 2013, 09:52:34 AM
Regarding shirk:

I've noticed that, because the Dome of the Rock is likely built on the "wrong rock", that, if you are standing on the inside of the dome (inside the inner octagonal arcade), reading the inscriptions on the walls, this is what you'd read (you are facing the direction where the Jewish temple would have been the entire time):

(Facing the Gate Beautiful) God is only One God. Far be it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And God is sufficient as Defender. (Facing the Holy Place) The Messiah will never scorn to be a servant unto God, nor will the favoured angels. Whoso scorneth His service and is proud, all such will He assemble unto Him. Oh God, bless Your messenger and Your servant (Facing the Holy of Holies) Jesus son of Mary. Peace be on him the day he was born, and the day he dies, and the day he shall be raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary, (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt. It befitteth not (the Majesty of) God that He should take unto Himself a son.

So, essentially, while standing inside the mosque, reading the inscriptions, the inscriptions that deny that God has a son would be (if you could see through the wall) spoken toward the temple in a sweeping motion from front to back.

Not to mention that all of the incriptions on the outer part of the mosque that deny Jesus as the son of God, all face the temple site as well.
Title: Re: Muslim Testimonies
Post by: Mujaheed on November 26, 2013, 01:58:41 PM
Book 33, Number 6429:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The mother of every person gives him birth according to his true nature. It is subsequently his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Magian. Had his parents been Muslim he would have also remained a Muslim. Every person to whom his mother gives birth (has two aspects of his life) ; when his mother gives birth Satan strikes him but it was not the case with Mary and her son (Jesus Christ).

Book 33, Number 6430:
Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was asked about the children of the polytheists, whereupon he said: It is Allah Who knows best what they would be doing.

Book 33, Number 6431:
This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Shu'aib and Ma'qil with a slight variation of wording.

Book 33, Number 6432:
Abu Huraira reported that Allahs Messenger (way peace be upon him) was asked about the children of the polytheists who die young. Thereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: It is Allah Who knows what they would be doing.

Book 33, Number 6433:
Ibn Abbas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was asked about the children of the polytheists, whereupon he said: It is Allah alone Who knows what they would be doing according to their creation.

Book 33, Number 6434:
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that AUah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The young man whom Khadir killed was a non-believer by his very nature and had he survived he would have involved his parents in defiance and unbelief.

Book 33, Number 6435:
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, reported that a child died and I said: There is happiness for this child who is a bird from amongst the birds of Paradise. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Don't you know that Allah created the Paradise and He created the Hell and He created the dwellers for this (Paradise) and the denizens for this (Hell)?

Book 33, Number 6436:
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

Book 33, Number 6437:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Yahya with the same chain of transmitters.
Title: Re: Re: Muslim Testimonies
Post by: PeteWaldo on December 03, 2013, 07:35:40 AM
Muj, you always do this. You run away from the questions we ask you like a little girl, and then months later come back, and post things unrelated to those questions. We won't address Muhammad's drivel about the Arabian pagan's deity "Allah" (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_name_allah.htm), until you are ready to engage in an exchange, as you agreed to do when you joined the forum. Do you break your word as easily as that in other areas of your life too?
Please review forum decorum:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=35.msg5830#msg5830

Now for the post you keep ignoring:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14499#msg14499

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?"

Let me add number:

3. It would even constitute a sin even worse than the mass murder of those school children of some weeks back, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on December 07, 2013, 06:13:47 AM
Muj:
Quote
"DO NOT SPECULATE ON CIRCUMSTANCES YOU HAVE NO FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF: IT IS BLIND FOLLOWING OF A MEDIA THAT HAS AN AGENDA. I DO NOT CONDONE KILLING APART FROM DEFENDING ONESELF AGAINST AN ENEMY OF GOD."

Always the qualifier. "I DO NOT CONDONE KILLING ................................. APART FROM DEFENDING ONESELF AGAINST AN ENEMY OF GOD."

In other words, Muslims only condone killing those who criticize Muhammad or Islam, commit the "crime" of what is perceived to be "blasphemy" (there were few blasphemers greater than Muhammad himself), proselytize for another faith, leave Islam or commit the "crime" of "apostasy" etc. In other words, "spread mischief in the land". Here's how the Quran puts it:

Surah 5:32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. 33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Here's a fake-Christian woman that Muslims love to trot out, who either got duped by Islamic taqiyyah (or dissimulation), or is consciously engaging in the half-truths and lies of Islamic taqiyyah herself:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3874.0
Her video exegeted: "Velvet-Tongued Pseudo-Christian Deceives Muslims With Interfaith Pluralism"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j--cMsRzg4s

Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on December 09, 2013, 11:15:47 AM
Shirk as you know is an unforgivable sin in Islam. Ascribing partners to God
That is a command from the time of Adam (peace be upon him)
I read the entire thread looking at all the verses quoted and questions posed and realized that you ask answer your question but fail to grasp the reality. You also prove that the Quran is correct and that your Nicean creed is highly flawed in its translation and interpretation of the scripture.

Shirk is not comparable to any other sin and it is due to Kufr and Shirk that most sins are committed.

Repeating things in the most vile way will not miraculously make it true. Your interpretation of the words and actions of the prophet Muhammad is as deviated as your interpretation and conjecture of the scriptures and Gospels.

What I cannot fathom is the failure to recognize simple truths about yourself. That the doctrines that you so readily accept comes from unknown authors that may have infused folk tales and Akkadian tablet stories of vain kings with scripture .

I am a Muslim not out blind faith like all the Christians I have met. Or stubborn Christians flowing with the tide of popular belief. Or those that cling to a book for dear life out of fear of eternal damnation. This is not why the prophets were chosen to guide us. They came to guide us to Allah not conjecture or speculation or opinions.
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: ExMilitary on December 09, 2013, 12:26:16 PM
Mujaheed,

Would you be willing to answer some questions, honestly?

Do you believe the following to be sinful or good?

1.  Blaspheming the name of God
2.  Murder
3.  Adultery
4.  Fornication
5.  Theft/Stealing
6.  Lying
7.  Covetousness
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on December 10, 2013, 12:10:56 PM
Please respond to ExMilitary's post before this one or the next.

Shirk as you know is an unforgivable sin in Islam. Ascribing partners to God
That is a command from the time of Adam (peace be upon him)
I read the entire thread looking at all the verses quoted and questions posed and realized that you ask answer your question but fail to grasp the reality.

Reality isn't composed of vain wishes Muj, but of things that are real. The reality is that I follow the God of the scriptures of the Jews and Christians - YHWH - as He revealed Himself through all of His prophets and witnesses, in His 1600 year record to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years.

You follow Muhammad alone, through his stand-alone 23 year 7th century record, that proclaims the exact opposite, of the whole subject of the Gospel.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/
Following a violent, imperialistic, murderous, captive abusing, child dong self-proclaimed "messenger" who founded an anti-religion - with a scripture-contrary, pre-Muhammad history-devoid, archaeology-bankrupt, reality-rejecting, geographically-impossible Islamic so-called "tradition" - that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 6th century AD. An anti-religion with a carnal tradition of prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and Kaaba in Mecca five times a day - located 1200 kilometers away from the Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs - while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do" in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad. Even performing thinly veneered Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals as the Quraish did before Muhammad was ever born, and "fasting" during Ramadan as the Sabian moon god worshipers did.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/origin_of_ramadan.htm

Rather  than presenting evidence of a pre-4th century Mecca, instead all you did was express your surprise in learning that, but even Muslim Eastern History teachers that have the capacity to be honest with themselves, know this simple truth.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2859.0

You also prove that the Quran is correct and that your Nicean creed is highly flawed in its translation and interpretation of the scripture.

There is only one way to understand the Gospel. Christ was crucified:
Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
Mark 15:24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
Luke 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. 34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
John 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also [his] coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. 24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.

He died on the cross:
Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

He was sent as a perfect sacrifice to save us all from sin.
Muj, do you believe that the first drop of blood of a Muslim martyr allows him to intercede for 70 of his relatives?
https://www.google.com/#q=islam+first+drop+blood+intercede+seventy+family+members

Shirk is not comparable to any other sin and it is due to Kufr and Shirk that most sins are committed.

Thus you must believe that each and every Christian over the last nearly 2,000 years, has lived and died in a state of committing Muhammad's only unforgivable sin, for confessing that Jesus is the Son of God, and praying in Jesus' name.

This while you instead follow a man that is responsible for slaughtering innocent Jewish farm boys, the rape of their little sisters, mothers and grandmothers, while stealing their property.

Should we really be surprised that the same "messenger" of Satan, would have his people murder their own neighbors, for nothing more that choosing to leave Islam?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#death_penalty_apostasy

That, my friend, is how Islam was, and still is, spread.

Repeating things in the most vile way will not miraculously make it true.

Rather than simply declaring it, it would help if you could be more specific, so we could correct ourselves if we are in error. For example, do you believe that women would desire to have sex, with the very same men responsible for beheading their husbands, fathers and little sons?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#banu_qurayza

Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."

Abu Dawud 38:4390 Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayza. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.

http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on December 10, 2013, 12:16:41 PM
Please respond to ExMilitary's post at the following link, before replying to this one.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg15859#msg15859

Repeating things in the most vile way will not miraculously make it true.

That's right, it is because it is true, that makes it true. Not because it is repeated.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on December 12, 2013, 01:11:30 PM
My honest answer to you question has been self explanatory from my first response. Spamming them is an indication of you dogmatic style of rejecting the truth the truth is the  Bible says that it is the first and most heinous sin not say that God is one with no partners no equal and no offspring "Hear ye 'O Children of Israel The Lord your God Is one.
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on December 12, 2013, 01:19:35 PM
Every sin follows after your rejection of that commandment. It is not your place to sit in judgement of matters of Allah. It is not your place to discuss things matters beyond your comprehension when the basis if your belief is highly flawed and based on the writings of on known Authors  there may well be thousands of flawed parchments floating does not mean it is accepted as authentic judge by what you find Therein without speculation and conjecture. Nowhere does it say Jesus died for your sins. If he rose after three days like many others from the dead then it is not an iindication of divinity nor of dying for the sins of others. That is speculation and wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on December 17, 2013, 12:57:14 PM

Now for the post you keep ignoring:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14499#msg14499

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?"

Let me add number:

3. It would even constitute a sin even worse than the mass murder of those school children of some weeks back, wouldn't it?

1. If any human being ascribes a partner to ALLAH (GOD ALMIGHTY) he transgresses the WHOLE OF SCRIPTURE AND REJECTS JESUS "HEar ye O Israle the LORD Your God is ONE, (Not one of three not three in one) Muhammad is complete conformity with all the Prophets .

2. It is the worst of all sins incomparable to others. SIN is Sin.

3. Again relating one sin to another is as absurd as asking you; "How long have you been sober"? the question is loaded.

Your Question should be: Is your lord GOD ONE? Does the Scripture say that The LORD YOUR GOD IS ONE?
Is it a sin to say otherwise. IS the most heinous crime according to all the Books of GOD?
Title: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on December 17, 2013, 01:03:21 PM

Now for the post you keep ignoring:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14499#msg14499

1. Muj, if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, he would be committing the only unforgivable sin, according to Muhammad, wouldn't he?

2. Confessing that Jesus is the Son of God would be a sin be worse than raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder, wouldn't it?"

Let me add number:

3. It would even constitute a sin even worse than the mass murder of those school children of some weeks back, wouldn't it?

1. If any human being ascribes a partner to ALLAH (GOD ALMIGHTY) he transgresses the WHOLE OF SCRIPTURE AND REJECTS JESUS "HEar ye O Israle the LORD Your God is ONE, (Not one of three not three in one) Muhammad is complete conformity with all the Prophets .

2. It is the worst of all sins incomparable to others. SIN is Sin.

3. Again relating one sin to another is as absurd as asking you; "How long have you been sober"? the question is loaded.

How can you answer 2 and 3 like that without lying Muj?
Isn't shirk the ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin?
While "raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder" may be forgiven?
Title: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on December 18, 2013, 09:19:24 AM
Shirk as you know is an unforgivable sin in Islam. Ascribing partners to God
Shirk is not comparable to any other sin and it is due to Kufr and Shirk that most sins are committed.

Clear enough. But in the next quote you seem to contradict yourself.

2. It is the worst of all sins incomparable to others. SIN is Sin.

3. Again relating one sin to another is as absurd as asking you; "How long have you been sober"? the question is loaded.

How can you answer 2 and 3 like that without lying Muj?
Isn't shirk the ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin?
While "raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder" may be forgiven?

So which is it? The worst of all sins, or just another "sin is sin" like any other sin?

Repeating things in the most vile way will not miraculously make it true.

That's right, it is because it is true, that makes it true. Not because it is repeated.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

(If by "vile" you were talking about the way I framed the question, how can you describe that as vile when your own "messenger" mass-murdered innocent Jewish farm boys (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#banu_qurayza), and was doing a 9-year old (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=769.0) when he was 53?)

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not...
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=466.0

My honest answer to you question has been self explanatory from my first response. Spamming them is an indication of you dogmatic style of rejecting the truth the truth is the  Bible says that it is the first and most heinous sin ..........

The truth is, the Bible actually says, with you apparently having been unable to understand the thin ice you have been skating on.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

That obviously doesn't mean that all manner of sins shall be forgiven after we die, but forgiven in this life, through faith in the shed blood of the Lamb of God.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

After we die, it is too late to have our sins forgiven Muj.

That verse is talking about the same Holy Ghost (KJV term), that is, Holy Spirit, that was sent in Jesus' name.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#taqiyyah

Sent in the same name of our one mediator and intercessor, that Satan prevents Muhammad's followers from calling upon so that he can keep you away from the Holy Spirit and the things of the God's Spirit, even making it an unforgivable sin to do so, in Satan's/Muhammad's anti-religion.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm
While you invoke the false prophet Muhammad's name ad nauseum, every day, while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do".
Muhammad even blasphemously having proclaimed himself to be an intercessor.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/intercession.htm

.........not say that God is one with no partners no equal and no offspring "Hear ye 'O Children of Israel The Lord your God Is one.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."
Title: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on December 20, 2013, 10:26:28 AM
I merged the "shirk" chat, that was on the wrong "muslim testimonies" thread, with this one.

Time to focus Muj. Please read the post at the link and answer the question at the bottom to continue the exchange on that point, or your posts will continue to go to spam:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg15954#msg15954
Title: Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on December 27, 2013, 01:48:42 PM
Shirk as you know is an unforgivable sin in Islam. Ascribing partners to God
Shirk is not comparable to any other sin and it is due to Kufr and Shirk that most sins are committed.

Clear enough. But in the next quote you seem to contradict yourself.

2. It is the worst of all sins incomparable to others. SIN is Sin.

3. Again relating one sin to another is as absurd as asking you; "How long have you been sober"? the question is loaded.

How can you answer 2 and 3 like that without lying Muj?
Isn't shirk the ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin?
While "raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder" may be forgiven?

So which is it? The worst of all sins, or just another "sin is sin" like any other sin?

Repeating things in the most vile way will not miraculously make it true.

That's right, it is because it is true, that makes it true. Not because it is repeated.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

(If by "vile" you were talking about the way I framed the question, how can you describe that as vile when your own "messenger" mass-murdered innocent Jewish farm boys (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#banu_qurayza), and was doing a 9-year old (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=769.0) when he was 53?)

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not...
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=466.0

My honest answer to you question has been self explanatory from my first response. Spamming them is an indication of you dogmatic style of rejecting the truth the truth is the  Bible says that it is the first and most heinous sin ..........

The truth is, the Bible actually says, with you apparently having been unable to understand the thin ice you have been skating on.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

That obviously doesn't mean that all manner of sins shall be forgiven after we die, but forgiven in this life, through faith in the shed blood of the Lamb of God.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

After we die, it is too late to have our sins forgiven Muj.

That verse is talking about the same Holy Ghost (KJV term), that is, Holy Spirit, that was sent in Jesus' name.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#taqiyyah

Sent in the same name of our one mediator and intercessor, that Satan prevents Muhammad's followers from calling upon so that he can keep you away from the Holy Spirit and the things of the God's Spirit, even making it an unforgivable sin to do so, in Satan's/Muhammad's anti-religion.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm
While you invoke the false prophet Muhammad's name ad nauseum, every day, while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do".
Muhammad even blasphemously having proclaimed himself to be an intercessor.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/intercession.htm

.........not say that God is one with no partners no equal and no offspring "Hear ye 'O Children of Israel The Lord your God Is one.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

Yes I believe that anyone duped into believing the writing of men that a God is a trinity is breaking the first and Holiest of commands. Her Ye O Israel The Lord Your God is One.

I believe that the scripture is clear that that is the worst of sins that is only forgiven when the person repents and declares that there is no God but God.

I believe that you hypothetical questions about God and conjecture does not deserve an answer and I will not entertain your conjecture and speculation as that is the root of your deviation from the Commandments of God 
Title: Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on December 29, 2013, 11:54:21 AM
Shirk as you know is an unforgivable sin in Islam. Ascribing partners to God
Shirk is not comparable to any other sin and it is due to Kufr and Shirk that most sins are committed.

Clear enough. But in the next quote you seem to contradict yourself.

2. It is the worst of all sins incomparable to others. SIN is Sin.

3. Again relating one sin to another is as absurd as asking you; "How long have you been sober"? the question is loaded.

How can you answer 2 and 3 like that without lying Muj?
Isn't shirk the ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin?
While "raping an innocent little girl, or even cold blooded mass murder" may be forgiven?

So which is it? The worst of all sins, or just another "sin is sin" like any other sin?

Repeating things in the most vile way will not miraculously make it true.

That's right, it is because it is true, that makes it true. Not because it is repeated.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

(If by "vile" you were talking about the way I framed the question, how can you describe that as vile when your own "messenger" mass-murdered innocent Jewish farm boys (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#banu_qurayza), and was doing a 9-year old (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=769.0) when he was 53?)

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not...
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=466.0

My honest answer to you question has been self explanatory from my first response. Spamming them is an indication of you dogmatic style of rejecting the truth the truth is the  Bible says that it is the first and most heinous sin ..........

The truth is, the Bible actually says, with you apparently having been unable to understand the thin ice you have been skating on.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

That obviously doesn't mean that all manner of sins shall be forgiven after we die, but forgiven in this life, through faith in the shed blood of the Lamb of God.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

After we die, it is too late to have our sins forgiven Muj.

That verse is talking about the same Holy Ghost (KJV term), that is, Holy Spirit, that was sent in Jesus' name.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#taqiyyah

Sent in the same name of our one mediator and intercessor, that Satan prevents Muhammad's followers from calling upon so that he can keep you away from the Holy Spirit and the things of the God's Spirit, even making it an unforgivable sin to do so, in Satan's/Muhammad's anti-religion.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm
While you invoke the false prophet Muhammad's name ad nauseum, every day, while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do".
Muhammad even blasphemously having proclaimed himself to be an intercessor.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/intercession.htm

.........not say that God is one with no partners no equal and no offspring "Hear ye 'O Children of Israel The Lord your God Is one.

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

Yes I believe that anyone duped into believing ........

This from a guy that has been duped into prostrating himself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol five times a day, located in a town that did not even exist, prior to the 4th century AD. Even duped into lining the Saudi's pockets, by squandering his money to travel to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, and kissing it, as Muhammad did.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2859.0

Even duped into believing the completely unwitnessed tall tale that Muhammad rode on a flying donkey-mule one night, from Mecca to Jerusalem, then up to the "paradise" of Muhammad's overactive imagination, and back to Mecca by morning. Even having to believe his lie about praying in a temple that, as the actual historical record tells us, had been torn down over 500 years before Muhammad spun his foolish tale.
http://www.brotherpete.com/mohammeds_night_journey.htm

...... the writing of men that a God is a trinity is breaking the first and Holiest of commands. Her Ye O Israel The Lord Your God is One.

The Lord God is indeed ONE Lord, just as you quote from SCRIPTURE: Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

God manifest through His Spirit, and in the way He chose to reveal Himself to mankind, including when He revealed Himself to Abraham.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2358.0

So you must believe Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" to be devoid of a spirit (one part of the Godhead), even though the Quran clearly indicates otherwise:

Sura 15.29: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=174.0

So if you don't reject that verse, then by the measure you apply to Christians you are a polytheistic hypocrite, believing in two parts of what has been dubbed the "trinity". God and His Spirit.

While it is Muhammad who assigned himself the role as a helper of his alter-ego "Allah".
Bukhari B7, #331 .....I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection).
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3790.0

Making Muhammadan beliefs far more polytheistic that Christians, who understand God and the way He chose to reveal Himself are ALL ONE, just as the scriptures state.


So it isn't WHETHER a trinity but Which Trinity For Eternity?
God gave us all the free will to choose between right and wrong, good and evil, and reality and fantasy, so how we spend our eternal life depends on the choices we make in this life. Those choices in turn, are arrived at through a love of truth, or absence thereof. Which "trinity" does your eternal life depend on? That of the one true God of love (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_love_of_god.htm) of the Jews and Christians as He revealed Himself manifest in person (http://www.islamandthetruth.com/god_manifest_flesh.htm) and through His Spirit (http://www.islamandthetruth.com/spirit_of_god.htm), to ALL of His prophets and witnesses of His 1600 year record of revelation to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, with our sinless Messiah as intercessor? A record that is well supported by history, archaeology (http://www.bing.com/search?q=archaeology+proves+bible+history&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=archaeology+proves+bible+history&sc=1-32&sp=-1&sk=) and fulfilled prophecy (http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2447.0), that is consistent with matter of fact physical geography (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/evidence_for_islam.htm), and can even be confirmed mathematically (http://www.beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm).

Or does your eternal life depend on an imitation trinity (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_trinity.htm#intercession) with Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" as a terrorist (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm#allah_terror), that inspired a cruel (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#muhammads_cruelty), violent (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm), imperialistic (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm#islamic_first_jihad), mass-murdering (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#banu_qurayza), child violating (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=aisha+nine+years+old&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), counter-"messenger" (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/index.htm) of an anti-religion (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm), in Muhammad's "Allah's" spirit of antichrist (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm), with Muhammad as the self-proclaimed intercessor (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm)?
A scripture-contrary (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/index.htm#spirit_of_antichrist), counter-religion (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm) with a pre-Muhammad history-devoid (http://www.historyofmecca.com/), archaeology-absent (http://www.historyofmecca.com/archaeology_mecca.htm), reality-rejecting (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islamic_slavery_dhimmitude.htm), geographically-impossible (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/evidence_for_islam.htm) so-called "tradition", that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 6th century AD. A counter-YHWH (http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=idols&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1) anti-religion with a carnal tradition of prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and Kaaba in Mecca five times a day - located 1200 kilometers away (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/evidence_for_islam.htm) from the Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs - while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=6&v=7&t=KJV#s=935007)", in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_name_allah.htm)" and his "messenger" Muhammad. Even compelled to perform adopted, adapted and thinly veneered pagan Arabian moon, sun, star (http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm) and jinn-devil worship (http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah) rituals.

I believe that the scripture is clear that that is the worst of sins that is only forgiven when the person repents and declares that there is no God but God.

And as the scripture you quoted confirms there is ONE God.
And by the way, his name is not the name of the Arabian pagan's moon god "Allah".
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_name_allah.htm

I believe that you hypothetical questions about God and conjecture does not deserve an answer and I will not entertain your conjecture and speculation as that is the root of your deviation from the Commandments of God

I believe that you mean is that if you answer the question it will expose your stand-alone "messenger" as being the messenger of Satan himself.

Because THE FACT is - as confirmed by Muslims in the OP - that child rape and cold-blooded mass murder are forgivable sins according to Muhammad, though that is not surprising, since Muhammad himself was guilty of both.

So what you have to face is whether a just is a god would make child rape and cold-blooded mass murder, lesser offenses than confessing that Jesus is the Son of God, or even praying in Jesus name, as instructed through the scriptures of the ONE great God of the Jews and Christians.

Indeed while you are even compelled to believe that Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah", who your own books describe as a terrorist, smiled down on Muhammad's beheading of innocent, faithful, Jewish farm boys, and the rape of their little sisters, moms and grandmothers - while at the same time you are compelled to believe that each and every Christian, throughout the last nearly 2,000 years, is being tormented as "entertainment" of Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah", in the hell of Muhammad's overactive imagination, for doing exactly as scripture commands us to do.
http://www.brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

Now why don't you quit being so afraid of the truth, and join me in discussion on the first drop of blood shed by a Muslim so-called "martyr", at this thread:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3898.0
Title: Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Bistabuster on December 31, 2013, 10:42:53 PM
He won't.  Sorry.  I can't right off remember the statement that God put into the Muslims hearts to be hardened.  During this time of his plan, it must be that way.  Sad but suffice to say, that Muj will be heading to hell whether he likes it or not. 

I wish that his heart wasn't hardened but I'm afraid it is.

Found verse. 

Rev 17:17  For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Title: Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on January 01, 2014, 05:45:08 AM
He won't.  Sorry.  I can't right off remember the statement that God put into the Muslims hearts to be hardened.  During this time of his plan, it must be that way.  Sad but suffice to say, that Muj will be heading to hell whether he likes it or not.

It would seem perhaps so, but perhaps the only thing we can know, is we can't know:

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

But since he claims to have been shown the way and left it to follow Muhammad.....

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I wish that his heart wasn't hardened but I'm afraid it is.

Found verse. 

Rev 17:17  For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

We need to pray for him.
Title: Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Bistabuster on January 01, 2014, 10:12:39 AM
We need to pray for him.
Always have!
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on February 11, 2014, 12:40:59 PM
I split off the tangent chat on the subject of sin in general and salvation to its own thread
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=4020.0
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on February 11, 2014, 03:44:22 PM
Every sin follows after your rejection of that commandment. It is not your place to sit in judgement of matters of Allah.

It is Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" himself, that judges himself, a terrorist:

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."

It is not your place to discuss things matters beyond your comprehension when the basis if your belief is highly flawed and based on the writings of on known Authors ........

Sure. That's why God's people have followed Him through His 1600 year record to mankind through all of His prohpets and witnesses, through two covenants, for 3500 years.

Little refresher on the stand-alone Quran of your stand-alone "messenger" is in order:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2576.0

And on the authors of the Quran which demonstrates that it is actually guys like Jabr, Tubba and Waraqa bin Naufal, that you follow.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3091.0

........ there may well be thousands........

There are thousands, that were penned before Nicea. This is how we know that your suggestion that they were changed is an unsupportable bold faced lie.

........ of flawed parchments floating does not mean it is accepted as authentic judge by what you find Therein without speculation and conjecture. Nowhere does it say Jesus died for your sins. If he rose after three days ............

Just as He Himself prophesied before He was ever killed:

http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.

And made reference to His own prophesy after it was fulfilled:

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

You just choose to follow the lies of a mass murdering, child doing, prisoner raping thief, instead.

......... like many others from the dead............

So many people have risen from the dead, after being dead for 3 days, Muj?

.........  then it is not an iindication of divinity nor of dying for the sins of others. That is speculation and wishful thinking.

So Muj, who has all power in heaven and earth?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Title: Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on February 12, 2014, 01:51:48 AM
He won't.  Sorry.  I can't right off remember the statement that God put into the Muslims hearts to be hardened.  During this time of his plan, it must be that way.  Sad but suffice to say, that Muj will be heading to hell whether he likes it or not.
Ok so God Forgives Murders and rapist and convicts that confess but not someone engaged in discussing him, acknowledging his presence doing good and for reading scripture???? Lovely God you have very fair of Him

It would seem perhaps so, but perhaps the only thing we can know, is we can't know:
SO you uncertain about?? God's Mercy? forgiveness? Guiding hand? What do you think you doing here??? God's work or the ridiculing of God's creation?? All throngs bright and beautiful all creatures great and small all things wide and wonderful the ???? made it all?? fill in the blanks please

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

But since he claims to have been shown the way and left it to follow Muhammad.....

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I wish that his heart wasn't hardened but I'm afraid it is.

Found verse. 

Rev 17:17  For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
How are you reading this verse?? does it say that God put in their hearts to fulfill his will????

We need to pray for him.
WHy thank you heres a prayer, OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN HALLOWED BE THY NAME (BESTOW PEACE AND BLESSINGS ON NABI EES) PLEASE GUIDE US AND REMOVE THE PRIDE AND ARROGANCE FROM ALL OF OUR HEARTS>
Title: Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on February 12, 2014, 06:10:43 AM
Good job multiple quoting Muj! Except after you are done posting you have to remove the extra tag that you pasted next to the quote tag at the bottom of the page (I did it for you).

He won't.  Sorry.  I can't right off remember the statement that God put into the Muslims hearts to be hardened.  During this time of his plan, it must be that way.  Sad but suffice to say, that Muj will be heading to hell whether he likes it or not.
Ok so God Forgives Murders and rapist and convicts that confess but not someone engaged in discussing him, acknowledging his presence doing good and for reading scripture????

You are only following your own desires Muj, not what He wants. Here's what God thinks about, what you have convinced yourself are your good deeds, in the absence of atonement for your sins:

Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

In the Hebrew, that "filthy rags", is a reference to used women's menstrual cloths.

Lovely God you have very fair of Him

What's not fair? He gave us His record to understand what is required.

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

And if somebody is ignorant or doesn't understand:

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

But you understand what is required of you, but willfully reject the Son of God, to follow the god of Muhammad's creation. To follow a demon that met him in the cave of Hira.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3909.0

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.


It would seem perhaps so, but perhaps the only thing we can know, is we can't know:
SO you uncertain about??

Context Muj. I can't know God's judgment on you.

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

But we can get a pretty good idea through scripture, regarding someone who willfully rejects the Son of God:

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

God's Mercy? forgiveness? Guiding hand?

It's all there for the asking Muj.

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Like so many millions of your former brethren that enjoy a life in Christ today. Why not listen to a couple of their testimonies?
http://www.muslimjourneytohope.com/watch.php

What do you think you doing here??? God's work or the ridiculing of God's creation?? All throngs bright and beautiful all creatures great and small all things wide and wonderful the ???? made it all?? fill in the blanks please

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

But since he claims to have been shown the way and left it to follow Muhammad.....

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I wish that his heart wasn't hardened but I'm afraid it is.

Found verse. 

Rev 17:17  For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
How are you reading this verse?? does it say that God put in their hearts to fulfill his will????

We need to pray for him.
WHy thank you heres a prayer, OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN HALLOWED BE THY NAME.........

You've spotted a passage in which we are given instruction as to how to pray and how not to pray. You keep falsely accusing us of taking snippets of scripture out of context, so let's back up a few verses and see why you might not have included more of the passage:

Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Can you describe "Salat" for us Muj?

.......... (BESTOW PEACE AND BLESSINGS ON NABI EES) PLEASE GUIDE US AND REMOVE THE PRIDE AND ARROGANCE FROM ALL OF OUR HEARTS>

And may you overcome the spirit of antichrist, and come to know the love of the one true God, through a relationship with His Son our Savior Jesus Christ. His Hebrew name is "Yeshua" which means Yahweh, saves, rescues or delivers.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Title: Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Mujaheed on February 22, 2014, 08:46:01 PM

Can you describe "Salat" for us Muj?


Yes I can, It is the perfection of Prayer that incorporates all elements of spirituality a human being needs.
It promotes unity amongst mankind, it aligns your magnetic field with that of the earth by placing your forehead on the ground.
It is unique and no human being would have ever been able to prescribe such a beautiful form of praise.

It is the Highest form of praise as prescribed to all the Prophets before,

I believe t is described in "King James 2000 Bible
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will.

◄ Numbers 16 ►

20And the LORD spoke unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,

21Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment.

22And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and will you be angry with all the congregation?

23And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying,

24Speak unto the congregation, saying, Get away from the tents of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram.

Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on February 22, 2014, 09:23:43 PM

Can you describe "Salat" for us Muj?


Yes I can, It is the perfection of Prayer that incorporates all elements of spirituality a human being needs.
It promotes unity amongst mankind, it aligns your magnetic field with that of the earth by placing your forehead on the ground.
It is unique and no human being would have ever been able to prescribe such a beautiful form of praise.

It is the Highest form of praise as prescribed to all the Prophets before,

I believe t is described in "King James 2000 Bible
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will.

◄ Numbers 16 ►

20And the LORD spoke unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,

21Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment.

22And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and will you be angry with all the congregation?

23And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying,

24Speak unto the congregation, saying, Get away from the tents of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram.

A Muslim that doesn't even know what salat is?
You cited incidence in scripture of prostration, not salat. That's like saying ablution is salat.
As much as you might wish Muhammad got his idea for prostrating in prayer from that historical incident in scripture, he did not. Nor did he get his idea for praying 5 times a day from literally riding to heaven on a magic flying donkey-mule.

The Sabians (moon god worshipers, who Muhammad even mentions in the Quran):
1. prayed in repetitions
2. prostrated in prayer
3. practiced ablution
4. prayed five times a day
5. wore long white robes
6. fasted by day during the same month of Ramadan in Arabian moon worship

THAT is where Muhammad copied the Islamic routine from.
Just noticed this (http://books.google.com/books?id=hW9AAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=sabians+prayed+in+repetition&source=bl&ots=upfG6RCrUI&sig=0AYt7YkF-YIatjn6t_i7o38kkWk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hOMJU5uuO-b4yQGs34AQ&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=sabians%20prayed%20in%20repetition&f=false) regarding Muhammad's "holy" day: 
"Prayer, with the Moslem, is a daily exercise; but on Friday there is a sermon in the mosque. This day was generally held sacred among oriental nations as the day on which man was created. The Sabean idolaters consecrated it to Astarte or Venus, the most beautiful of the planets and brightest of the stars. Mahomet adopted it as his Sabbath, partly perhaps from early habitude, but chiefly to vary from the Saturday of the Jews and Sunday of the Christians."
Mahomet and his successors by Washington Irving

Back to salat, when you're ignorant about a subject why don't you just Google it Muj?

Try wikipedia:  "Salat consists of the repetition of a unit called a rakʿah (pl. rakaʿāt) consisting of prescribed actions and words. The number of obligatory (farḍ) rakaʿāt varies from two to four according to the time of day or other circumstances (such as Friday congregational worship, which has two rakats)."

From "Infidel" Ayaan Hirsi Ali explains part of salat, "You say Praise be to Allah thirty-three times; God forgive me thirty-three times; Allah is great thirty-three times; and then, if you choose, you may also say Gratitude to Allah."

The scriptures do a better job of describing salat than you did Muj, while instructing specifically how NOT to pray:

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

We are also instructed specifically how to pray:

1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.

That describes constant contact through a relationship, not vain ritual on specific occasion.
It would obviously be impossible to pray the way God instructs if we had to point toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca, with our heads stuck on the ground, "without ceasing".
Christians are instructed to pray without ceasing to the one true God of the scriptures, that doesn't live in the Quraish pagan's black box in the SW Arabian desert. The ONE true God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. Jesus Christ is IN us and we in Him.
Unlike your "Allah", the ONE intercessor between man and God, Jesus Christ, hears our prayers whether we are sweating at work on a construction site, or have just refreshed in a shower. Whether we are cooking a meal, driving a car, or engaged in study of scripture.

Yet if a follower of Muhammad even passes gas after ablution, Muhammad's deity "Allah" won't hear his prayers, until he "performs" "wudu" all over again. Satan must love to watch the false prophet Muhammad's "children of the flesh (http://www.brotherpete.com/children_flesh.htm)" jump through carnal hoops for him!
https://www.google.com/#q=ablution+nullify+passing+gas
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on March 01, 2014, 07:36:43 AM
For the next Muslim to weigh in, this point remains unanswered:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3344.msg14391#msg14391

As a follower of Muhammad, do you believe that each and every Christian throughout the last nearly 2,000 years, have lived and died in a state of committing Muhammad's ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin, since to be a Christian requires that we confess that Jesus is the Son of God and pray in Jesus'/Yeshua's name?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_trinity.htm

2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Title: The ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam ("Merry Christmas" worse than murder)
Post by: ExMilitary on December 28, 2015, 11:25:02 AM
Quote from: Mujaheed
Quote from: PeteWaldo

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

Yes I believe that anyone duped into believing the writing of men that a God is a trinity is breaking the first and Holiest of commands. Her Ye O Israel The Lord Your God is One.

I believe that the scripture is clear that that is the worst of sins that is only forgiven when the person repents and declares that there is no God but God.

I believe that you hypothetical questions about God and conjecture does not deserve an answer and I will not entertain your conjecture and speculation as that is the root of your deviation from the Commandments of God

Here is one who says that saying "Merry Christmas" to an alien is worse than murdering a human being.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs5ZdmGNeR8
Title: Re: The ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam ("Merry Christmas" worse than murder)
Post by: PeteWaldo on December 29, 2015, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: Mujaheed
Quote from: PeteWaldo

Don't you believe that praying in Jesus' name, would constitute an unforgivable sin, and thus a greater sin than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven?

Why don't you try a simple answer this time like "Yes I believe that."

Yes I believe that anyone duped into believing the writing of men that a God is a trinity is breaking the first and Holiest of commands. Her Ye O Israel The Lord Your God is One.

I believe that the scripture is clear that that is the worst of sins that is only forgiven when the person repents and declares that there is no God but God.

I believe that you hypothetical questions about God and conjecture does not deserve an answer and I will not entertain your conjecture and speculation as that is the root of your deviation from the Commandments of God

Here is one who says that saying "Merry Christmas" to an alien is worse than murdering a human being.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs5ZdmGNeR8

I think this video deserves its own thread in general discussion.
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on June 30, 2016, 07:58:19 AM
"It is common knowledge that only God is worthy of worship, yet the
Koran teaches that Iblis or Satan was cast out of heaven for his refusal to
worship Adam (Sura 2:34; 7:11-13; 38:72-77)."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/contradictions_in_the_koran.htm#31
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on June 30, 2016, 07:59:23 AM
"The power to create and impart life is the exclusive right of God
alone. He cannot permit angels or prophets to create life or they would
also be God. Yet Koran on the one hand teaches that Jesus fashioned a
bird out of clay and imparted life into the bird (Sura 3:49), while on the
other hand, the same  Koran  teaches that Jesus is no more than a
prophet."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/contradictions_in_the_koran.htm#31
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: PeteWaldo on June 30, 2016, 08:01:32 AM
"It is common knowledge that only God is worthy of worship, yet the
Koran teaches that Iblis or Satan was cast out of heaven for his refusal to
worship Adam (Sura 2:34; 7:11-13; 38:72-77)."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/contradictions_in_the_koran.htm#31
Title: Re: The most deadly and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam - "shirk"
Post by: Bistabuster on July 06, 2016, 12:34:21 AM
"It is common knowledge that only God is worthy of worship, yet the
Koran teaches that Iblis or Satan was cast out of heaven for his refusal to
worship Adam (Sura 2:34; 7:11-13; 38:72-77)."

Kinda counter productive.