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« on: June 14, 2008, 03:36:12 PM »
God told His people that atonement for sin could be achieved through the shed blood of sacrifice. Perhaps we can't know all the whys of God choosing sacrifice for covering sin in His plan for mankind, just that that is how He did reveal Himself, as Scripture and the archaeological and historical records indisputably attest. The following link has some sample verses from scripture.

Also it is important to understand that the revelation of God to mankind was a progressive revelation that took place over 1600 years, from when mankind were desert dwelling nomads, until the first century when we had become a highly developed civilization.

God revealed Himself to us through two covenants. What we call the Old Covenant that He had with His chosen people,
And a new covenant, that was prophesied in the Old Covenant, that included Gentiles into God's plan of salvation.

Early in the old covenant God revealed that the blood of sacrificed animals could serve as sin offerings.
The following Bible search link contains many sample verses that you can click on individually, to read them in their broader context.

About 3,000 years ago, God instructed His old covenant people to build a tabernacle (completed in about 970 BC), in which the focus was an alter on which animals were to be sacrificed as a sin offering by ordained levites (Hebrew tribe of Levi), according to specific instructions that God gave His chosen people of that covenant.

The concept of the blood of sacrifice is not an unfamiliar to Muslims since they sacrifice animals on a hill called Mina during Hajj, as well as believing that the first drop of blood shed by a Muslim so-called martyr, who is inadvertently killed while engaged in imperialistic conquest, will have all his sins forgiven by having shed that blood. Tragically, Muslims have been taught that walking around the Kaaba seven times, kissing the black stone, traveling from hill to hill near Mecca, casting stones and cutting their hair provides remission of sin.

The following link contains several Bible verses of temple building details that God dictated. You can click each to read them in context.

A Wikipedia article on the tabernacle

Of course the temple mount still stands - in part - unto this day, though Muslims are doing everything in their power to destroy the remnants of the archaeological remains of the temple foundations and such.

During that covenant many of God's chosen people, the Jews, repeatedly disobeyed God by wandering off into idolatry and such, and were severely punished repeatedly, including an over 2500 year period in which they would not be in control of their covenant land.

As a result of their disobedience, and difficulties in keeping the law, in about 626BC Jeremiah was given a prophecy regarding a new covenant, that would come in the future.

Jeremiah 31:31  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:    32  Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: {although...: or, should I have continued an husband unto them?}    33  But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Many hundreds of years later that new covenant was fulfilled by Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, who eventually became the one sacrifice for all that have faith in His shed blood.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

Jinn channeled through Mohammed:

Surah 4:157  That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Who but someone inspired by Satan would prevent Muslims from being covered by the blood that would save them?

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Indeed while Mohammed filled his followers with complete resolve as to who didn't die on the cross, he left a complete vacuum as to who did die on the cross. If you ask Muslims who was crucified you will find that they "....are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow...". Thus we see that Mohammed's is the only anti-another-religion, religion. It is to Christianity as the negative is to a photograph. Rejecting ALL of the new covenant prophets and witnesses of Jesus, in a single surah.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

1Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Surah 9.30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. 31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

If you are going to believe Mohammed's rewriting of history, and ignore Jesus' death on the Cross and resurrection, there is no point in looking into the New Testament further. This is what it's all about, as confirmed by ALL of the new covenant prophets and witnesses.

The concept of real martyrdom is difficult for Muslims to understand, because Muhammad taught that martyrdom is achieved when someone is killed inadvertently, while in the act of murdering others through imperialistic conquest. But real martyrdom is achieved, for example, when an completely innocent person is killed, simply for the beliefs one holds. Just as Christians and Jews (and all the rest of non-Muslims) have been murdered by Muslims, over the last 1400 years. Like Christian pastors and others being crucified in the Sudan today by the hand of Islam. The perpetrators are GOOD Muslims following in the footsteps of their false prophet.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Mohammed convinced those poor followers that the only guarantee of paradise is achieved if one is martyred. Otherwise, when you die you are put on "Allah's" good/bad scale. Indeed the Quran degrades those who go through life without fighting in Allah's cause. That's why so many young Muslims that live in Muslim controlled countries, that recognize they have been leading sinful lives, travel to foreign lands to fight in the hopes that they will be "martyred" while killing others. That's also why they are willing to put on a suicide/homicide belt to blow themselves up in a bus load of Jewish school children.

What good Muslims today refer to as "Islamic awakening".

The Christian martyr says "I will die for what I believe in."
The Muslim so-called martyr says "You will die for what I believe in."

For the last 2,000 years Christian martyrs have been murdered all around the world, simply for refusing to deny their faith, in the shed blood of our Savior, Jesus Christ. Our Jewish brethren have been martyred over the last 3500 years.

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Jesus' Crucifixion in Old Testament Prophecy
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2010, 11:50:34 AM »
In the Old Testament book of Psalms we find Jesus' crucifixion prophesied:

Old Testament
Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.


New Testament
Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

We find another reference in Old Testament prophecy of Jesus' second coming:

Old Testament
Zechariah 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David [shall be] as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. 9 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.

New Testament
John 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

Old Testament
Isaiah 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither [was any] deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

New Testament
1Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.


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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2010, 10:05:52 PM »
And a new covenant, that was prophesied in the Old Covenant, that included Gentiles into God's plan of salvation.

I don't believe Jesus came for the Gentiles not according to the Bible.

Matthew 10:5 "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:"

Matthew 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"

John 4:22 "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews."

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Matthew 5:19 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Jesus broke not even ONE of the laws but the majority of Christians break the laws of GOD all the time. With the explanation that Jesus kept the Law for them and that he died for their sins.

How many of the Commandments (YES there are more than 10 :O) have you kept?

The famous TEN

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

How about eating pork? Do you eat pork?

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'


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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2010, 06:48:21 AM »
Hi UmraoJaan and welcome to the forum! :)

Blessedly the Gospel is composed of more verses than those verses that Deedat pulled out of context for you. Have you ever read the Gospel?
When the Jews rejected Jesus salvation was brought unto the Gentiles like you and I. Lots of these Deedatisms are answered in this section.

Here is a thread germane to the subject you brought up.


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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2010, 10:12:33 AM »
Did you ever bother to keep reading further? Later Jesus told them to go anywhere they were accepted.

But to put the matter to rest let us back up to the OT when God first mentioned Messiah's role in the redemption of the Gentiles

Isa 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

As for Christians keeping the 10 commandments as a standard of measure for the veracity of Christianity why don't we review specific instances where Mohammad broke all of them.
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2010, 02:19:02 PM »
Isa 42:6 is a prophesy and it is referring to Islam.

Islam is for all the gentiles to embrace.

Why skip 42:11?

" Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar does inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains."

I don't believe I have to explain this.

The Bible mentions the coming of the prophet Muhammed (PBUH) and Islam a lot. And Yet some still await a prophet while others remain blind.


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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2010, 02:47:14 PM »