This is my Introduction, i will do what I should have done in the first place, expose DR, Rafats Fruadulent statements based on his conclusions as a disbeliever (yeas he is Mushrihk, a person that ascribes partners to ALLAH and a KAAFIR a rejector of faith)
I will answer all your questions listed below but first I will show you why I disagree as you are averse to hindu writings but not Pagan Greek and Roman writing (Is it becuase you only believe fair skin people?)
Now you try to prove heathen scripture with heathen scripture.
But all I see is a bunch of Deedat style deception and false presumption by DR. Z. HAQ, with a single reference to another source, a 1935 Dr. Pran Nath, that HAQ feebly attempted to splice into the article, that didn't support his article any more than it provided any kind of evidence.
Gee, I wonder if DR. Z. HAQ is a Hindu? Whoops, what do you know. He's a Muslim who does the same thing with scripture that you failed to do. Isn't that a surprise?
Where are the Hindu scholar's confirmation regarding Mohammed in their books?
Where is the historical evidence?
Where is the archaeological evidence?
Where is the geographical evidence?
You have to start at the beginning - with the foundation.
How can you place Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael in Mecca?
Failure to be able to do this relegates Mohammed's whole STAND-ALONE 7th century invention to the trash heap.
It won't do you any good to turn to scripture, Hunduism or the Wiccans to save Islam, if you can't provide an answer to that question.
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The ka'aba is the evidence, why would so many rebuild something that according to you is not a genuine house of worship?
Why would it be mentioned in the Bible?, Why would it have so many names? The only problem here is that you dont accept it as the truth and fabricate arguments with everything at your disposal, none of your arguments are valid and they are misguided
I have done exactly what you have done and now it is unacceptable? You quote Dr Rafat that has done nothing but quote pagan Greek and Roman historians, he jumped to conclusions based on these writings, he has not presented any evidence that says the Prophet's words is not true, he speculates, if historians did not document it, if Pagans says that they built it, I have already shown you several accounts of the rebuilding of the Ka'aba, but you continue with your own opinion, you have not preentes any evidence you take an argument and say it is evidence it is not it is merely contradictory statements, and yes your only Historical proof that there was a person cruxified is Pagan Accounts (altered pagan Acounts held by christians, there is no evidence or documents)
Sarcasm (re DR Z Haq) does not suit you and reveals your hypocrisy just as, MR Rafat's (is he Jewish or Christian) fraud has been exposed and if you need evidence for any scripture there is none, Speculation and interpretation of archeological finds leads one to KUFR (Disbelief) not belief. It is subject to could have beens and in mostlikely hood opinions.
Archeology in Egypt, Persia and India says that a person similar to your account in the Pauline documents of Jesus existed
Hosea 13:4:
King James Version. "...I am the LORD thy God from the
land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me."
Horus is one of the oldest and most significant deities in the Ancient Egyptian religion, who was worshipped from at least the late Predynastic period through to Greco-Roman times. Different forms of Horus are recorded in history and these are treated as distinct gods by Egyptologists.[1] from wikipedia.
In another version of the story, Isis was impregnated by divine fire.[8] Once Isis knew she was pregnant with Horus, she fled to the Nile Delta marshlands to hide from her brother Set who jealously killed Osiris and who she knew would want to kill their son.[8] There Isis bore a divine son, Horus.
In Greek mythology, Dionysus is made out to be a son of Zeus (Greek GOD) and the mortal Semele (His MOTHER). He is described as being womanly or "man-womanish"(GENTLE?).[6] The retinue of Dionysus was called the thiasus and was comprised chiefly of maenads and satyrs. Dionysus is a god of mystery religious rites. One of the most famous mystery religions was the Eleusinian Mysteries, in which Dionysus may have had a minor role.
A retinue is a body of persons "retained" in the service of a noble or royal personage, a suite (literal French meanings: what follows) of "retainers." Followers or disciples perhaps
Attis was a Phrygian or a Lydian dear to Cybele. He is remembered for having cut off his genitals in a fit of folly. Some say that at his death he was turned into a pine tree, but even more extraordinary is his birth.
Belief today and yesterday
Not few believe that people of ancient times were like children, and not at all so clever as modern man. And since technological advance is their clue and indicator, they are persuaded that humanity easily discards the beliefs and fantasies of the past, as its mental sanity is increased by a larger amount of verifiable facts. So for example, says the distinguished anthropologist James G. Frazer, 1854-1941:
"The belief in the possible impregnation of women without sexual intercourse appears to have been common, if not universal, among men at a certain stage of social evolution, and it is still held by many savages." (James G. Frazer. Note to Apollodorus 1.3.5.).
However, there are those in contemporary society who could not be called savages and yet assert that Mary, the mother of Jesus, conceived her child without regular sexual intercourse.
Most conservative Christians believe that God inspired the authors of the Bible to write material that is inerrant -- without error. Thus the Gospels and other books in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) are completely accurate in their description of Jesus as Lord and Savior, 100% God and 100% human.
Most progressive Christians believe that much material in the Christian Scriptures is actually folklore -- myths that grew up around the memory of Jesus during the 40 to 70 years between his execution and the writing of the Gospels. During that interval, stories about Jesus' magical powers, his supernatural origins, etc. accumulated to produce a mixture of Yeshua, the itinerate teacher / native healer and Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior.
NOW WHY DO YOU FAVOUR THE WRITINGS OF THE EUROPEANS OVER THE ARABS<INDIANS AND PERSIANS
THEIR MYTHS AND SPECULATION AND PRETENTIONS THAT THEY HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE WHILE IT IS MERE SPECULATION AND INFERENCES TAKEN FROM PAGAN WRITERS THAT WERE HIGHLY FLAWED AND HAS A RESEMBLANCE TO THE REALITY!!!
WHY WOULD YOU THINK YOUR KNOWLEDGE SUPERIOR WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE
HISTORICAL OR ARCHEOLOGICAL!!
LET ME TAKE RAFATS WRITING APART FOR YOU LINE BY LINE
| There is no mention of Mecca in the writings of any classical writer or geographer. This fact is an important argument against Islam's claim that Mecca has existed since the time of Abraham. We have complete records of Greek and Roman writers, as well as many geographers who visited Arabia from the end of the 5th century B.C. through the 3rd century A.D. Some of these people drew maps of Arabia telling us about every city, village, mountain, and temple existing there, yet none mentioned Mecca. If Mecca did indeed exist at the time of any of these geographers and writers, surely someone would have told us about this city. |
First and fore mostly, Makkah is known by many names and if you are looking for the word Makkah in Greek chances are that it would not appear (how would a greek know) Your complete records are flawed as many scholars have revealed, mention is not made here of the names of the Greek and Roman Writers, CITE your sources as any good academic would! Well I am sure Cities (FUNNY thing, the Arabians were mostly Nomads, very few except the custodians of temples lived in cities (About 300 people)
Greeks and Romans hardly Ruled ARABIA (They have no footprint there) they gave it to lesser kingdoms as they said it was ungovernable the phrase was that "they are the slaves of our slaves. ROMAN EMPIRE I'll give you my source later in keeping with Rafat
The first one mentioned is Strabo here is the Wikipedia write-up
It is not known precisely when Strabo's Geography was written, though comments within the work itself place the finished version within the reign of Emperor Tiberius. Some place its first drafts around 7 AD, others around 18 AD. Last dateable mention is given to the death in 23 AD of Juba II, king of Maurousia (Mauretania), who is said to have died "just recently".[5] On the presumption that "recently" means within a year, Strabo stopped writing that year or the next (24 AD), when he died.The first of Strabo's major works, Historical Sketches (Historica hypomnemata), written while he was in Rome (ca. 20 BC), is nearly completely lost. Meant to cover the history of the known world from the conquest of Greece by the Romans, Strabo quotes it himself and other classical authors mention that it existed, although the only surviving document is a fragment of papyrus now in possession of the University of Milan (renumbered [Papyrus] 46).
As you can see very accurate indeed, his own life was a question mark how to verify what he wrote?
Oh we only have a single piece of papyrus where does Rafat get this accurate wrirings from?
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