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THE QUESTION
« on: April 23, 2010, 07:43:23 AM »
Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Cd_NAYZig

Archaeological discovery of ancient cities and artifacts continue to confirm the Bible as a reliable source of ancient historical record. That record includes details of Abraham's travels as illustrated on the map below.



Abraham's travels remained largely within the "fertile crescent", where there were streams, pastures and settlements. In the map below we can see that Mecca is over a thousand kilometers from anywhere that Abraham ever traveled.



Scripture tells us that Hagar wandered in the Wilderness of Beersheba with Ishmael, and that they later settled in the Wilderness of Paran. Below are pictures of that wilderness, and Mt. Paran, which is in today's Jordan.






We also learn that Hagar, who was an Egyptian herself, fetched an Egyptian wife for her son Ishmael. Later on Isaac and Ishmael attended their father Abraham's funeral in Hebron.



Where is the record of Abraham's epic 1200 kilometer journey from Israel to Mecca?

Why is there not a single shred of historical or archaeological evidence, that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century A.D., when pagan immigrants from Yemen built it? Why did historians and geographers prior to, and into, the Christian era describe the area where Mecca was eventually built, as being uninhabitable?

So the burning question for those that suggest that Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael ever had anything to do with the place where Mecca was eventually built, is:

How did Abraham, Hagar or Ishmael wander across a thousand kilometers of (at that time) uninhabited, unknown, barren, desolate desert wasteland - the better part of a thousand years before any caravan route was ever established along the Red Sea - only to take up residence in one of the harshest desert environments, that even Arabia has to offer?

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Re: THE QUESTION
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2010, 02:20:04 PM »
Where is our debate my friend ? From YouTube 
Why did you delet it from your vidoe comments ?
Again who is the holy man from Paran with 10000 saints in history ?
Where is the great nation of Ishmael who keeps God commandmends and his covenet ?

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Re: THE QUESTION
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2010, 02:39:50 PM »
Where is our debate my friend ? From YouTube  
Why did you delet it from your vidoe comments ?
I didn't delete the comments but rather preserved them. Why would I waste so much of my own time, let alone yours? They are instructive for Muslim seekers that are truly trying to find truth. You can find our exchange here.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1282.msg5068#msg5068

Deleting comments is one of your tricks. Instead of simply being honest enough to close your video to comments, you instead delete comments you don't like, but keep comments posted by history, archaeology and geography ignorant folks like yourself, as if the other comments were never posted. Like you did here:
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1296.msg4964#msg4964

I closed the video to comments for the reason that I gave you, and that is because I got tired of having to answer questions that you kept repeating, like they were unanswered.
Just like this one that you just asked, to which I already gave an answer.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1282.msg5077#msg5077

Again who is the holy man from Paran with 10000 saints in history ?

Thank you for justifying my having closed the video. Here's the answer I gave you .... again.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1282.msg5078#msg5078

Where is the great nation of Ishmael who keeps God commandmends and his covenet ?

The great nation of Ishmael is a fulfilled prophecy. The great nation of Ishmael - that is the 12 tribes from Ishmael's sons - came and went during Old Testament times.

Now it's YOUR TURN. Please answer the question this thread asks.

How did Abraham, Hagar or Ishmael wander across a thousand kilometers of (at that time) uninhabited, unknown, barren, desolate desert wasteland - the better part of a thousand years before any caravan route was ever established along the Red Sea - only to take up residence in one of the harshest desert environments, that even Arabia has to offer?