Sorry this is so direct, but after years of Mohammed's followers posting blasphemy, citing support for that blasphemy from 7th and 8th century southwest Arabian desert created fiction, as if to suggest that it could possibly have any standing whatsoever against the 1600 year record that God gave us through all of the prophets and witnesses as revealed through His record, that His people have followed through 2 covenants for 3500 years, for those sorely deceived folks this thread is intended to serve as a slap upside the head and shake by the lapels.
Please don't just lash out, or post unsubstantiated fiction, as those examples below, but rather please bring a thoughtful point by point argument, that demonstrates that the content of this post is wrong. In other words, please bring us evidence
to support your view.
Posts from other sections containing 7th and 8th century created Mohammedan fiction as an argument directly against scripture, posted by folks that refuse to, or fail to, support or explain the foundation of their sources, historically, archaeologically or geographically, may be moved to this thread.
This fiction is posted by folks that have duped themselves into actually believing that men could sit down in the 7th and 8th centuries AD, and write a prior 2600 year history of Islam, without any reference whatsoever to any actual historical or archaeological record that preceded the 4th century AD.
Folks so desperate to believe pure fictional tripe, that when presented with this sad matter of fact regarding Mohammed's religion, are left without defense, and even lash out in argumentum ad ignorantiam, or "argument from ignorance", in a last ditch effort. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Putting forward the preposterous suggestion, that just because there is no historical or archaeological record of Mecca ever having existed prior to the 4th century AD, doesn't mean it didn't exist!
This even as they have been indoctrinated to believe, that Mecca has been the historical and geographical epicenter of Mohammed's religion, SINCE ADAM!
This even as other, tiny and briefly inhabited ancient Arabian settlements from before the Christian era, are very well attested in the actual historical and archaeological records of Arabia.
What they in fact prove by resorting to argumentum ad ignorantiam is that they are incapable of linear thought. They cannot connect dots and draw the obvious conclusions.
Because of this inability it doesn't seem to occur to them that the very Arabians that preceded Mohammed, that they themselves would characterize as ignorant, could not, and indeed did not record, let alone the even more daunting task of having preserved, a historical record of Mecca maintained throughout the span of 2900 years that their 7th and 8th century created historical fiction is intended to masquerade as.
Folks incapable of connecting the dots, which illustrate that since there is no history of Mecca prior to the 4th century AD, all of the created historical fiction of the 7th and 8th century regarding Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael, having had anything to do with Mecca, is necessarily nothing more than fantasy.
This is even further confirmed by the archaeological and historical evidence
, regarding just where Abraham did
travel, compounding the evidence against the Mohammedans historical creation.
Continuing to compound the above is the fact that the actual historical record suggests that the first caravan route along the Red Sea connecting northern and southern Arabia, did not exist until about 900 years after Abraham, which makes it about 1000 years before Mecca ever existed. The geographical location of where Mecca was eventually built, is a whopping 1000 kilometers from anywhere that anyone has placed any of Abraham's travels. So in simple terms of geography the created Mohammedan fiction is not possible. Whereas the historical record in Scripture is not only perfectly plausible but is confirmed by the archaeological record.
So then moving to the next dot it becomes evident that the Kaaba could not have existed before the 4th century, since Mecca didn't exist, which would be consistent with the actual historical evidence
that suggests that the Kaaba didn't appear in historical records until about the early 5th century AD, when pagan immigrants from Yemen built it for Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship.
Then the next dot to connect is the black stone. No Muslim can honestly deny that the black stone was one of 360 idols kept in the Quraish's kaaba. Indeed Mohammed's own uncle tended the Kaaba.
The next dot to connect is that the Quraish black stone idol, that Muslims from all over the world still bow toward 5 times a day, and travel to and circumambulate as the Arabian pagans did, did not appear in Mecca until brought there by those Yemeni immigrants. Since Mecca has no pre-4th century AD history, no other conclusion can be drawn regarding the kaaba and the black stone.
This unarguable truth is made even more obvious when comparing the absolute absence of record of Mecca, with the historical, archaeological and geographical confirmation of Jerusalem. In Israel - in THE
Holy Land. With over a million artifacts just on display.
Folks so broken that they actually believe the Mohammedan contrived 7th and 8th century fictional history, and thinly repackaged pagan rituals that that Mohammed adopted and then adapted to his religion. As if Mohammed's stand-alone 23 year 7th century record, could somehow stand as a replacement for the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind, through all of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years. A historical record whose dependability is evermore confirmed through archaeology, and whose geographical location is, of course, centered around THE
Holy Land. Fully 1200 kilometers from where the pagans built their Kaaba in Mecca in the early 5th century AD.
Yet in spite of the above facts, Muslims go on and on posting this fictional history penned by a bunch of ignorant 7th century southwestern Arabian desert dwellers, as though it had any standing whatsoever, when all it has ever had going for it is illiterate and ignorant people that have been forced to believe it. First by the sword and then by the consequences brought to bear against Islamic "apostates".
Folks whose historical fiction teaches that Mohammed's alter ego "Allah" created the world, and that the Kaaba was built by Adam in the center of that world, and just below the gates of heaven. Yet somehow "Allah" planned things so poorly that when he created the location that his sacred (pagan) Kaaba was to be built on, it just happened to be on a flood plain, and thereby periodically inundated with floodwater contaminated with sewage.
It should be painfully obvious, as to just who was responsible for the Kaaba.