7th and 8th Century Islamic Created Fiction

[Peter]

I have 1,8 billion that will testify on my truth, You have Rafat AMARI?

I have just got to ask. Since when do numbers=truth.

The exact reverse has always been the case, as has already been shown to him repeatedly.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for WIDE [IS] THE GATE, AND BROAD [IS THE WAY, THAT LEADETH TO DESTRUCTION, and many there be which go in thereat:

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

And he even admits to following Mohammed's 7th century "law", http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1955.0 through which he advocates murder, prisoner rape, and theft.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1934.0
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1930.0

We can address his posts more on his return from his 2 day ban. He should have gotten the idea by then that he will not be able to dodge questions and obfuscate any more.

[Peter]

You have a 2 day ban on posting Mujaheed per instructions in the following link
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1912.msg8429#msg8429

[Mujaheed]

IT HAS SOMETHING IN COMMON WITH RAFAT AMARI"S COMMENTS DONT YOU THINK?

I'm sorry, but if you look at the footnotes you will not find Dr. Amari cited - it has nothing to do with Amari.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Towns_in_Saudi_Arabia
Now answer the question. If you obfuscate again I will give you a 2 day chilling out period.

You can see other ancient towns in Arabia widely recognized - even as U.N. as world heritage sites. Towns like Mada'in Saleh, that enjoy rich archaeological and historical records.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mada%27in_Saleh



Since you believe the 7th and 8th century AD created Mohammedan fiction, that Mecca has been around since Adam, why do you suppose it is that Mecca is absent from the list of ancient Arabian towns?

MAKKAH IS THE HOLIEST CITY ON THE PLANET. Madina is Holy as is jerusalem (CITIS OF THE PROPHETS)
NO SCHOLAR BEFORE YOU EVER DISPUTED THE STORIES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD
YOU DO NOT HAVE PROOF OF MAKKAH FROM MAKKAH
I DID NOT DRAW UP THE LIST AND I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SPECULATE (ASK THE PERSON THAT DREW UP THE LIST) IT IS ABSURD TO EXPECT ME TO ANSWER ON BEHALF OF SOMEONE ELSE (CONJECTURE IS NOT MY STYLE)
Google golden mean ratio of the earth
The only place on earth that generates positive energy
The conquest of Makkah was the most peaceful conquest in the history of Conquests

[Peter]

IT HAS SOMETHING IN COMMON WITH RAFAT AMARI"S COMMENTS DONT YOU THINK?

I'm sorry, but if you look at the footnotes you will not find Dr. Amari cited - it has nothing to do with Amari.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Towns_in_Saudi_Arabia
Now answer the question. If you obfuscate again I will give you a 2 day chilling out period.

You can see other ancient towns in Arabia widely recognized - even as U.N. as world heritage sites. Towns like Mada'in Saleh, that enjoy rich archaeological and historical records.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mada%27in_Saleh



Since you believe the 7th and 8th century AD created Mohammedan fiction, that Mecca has been around since Adam, why do you suppose it is that Mecca is absent from the list of ancient Arabian towns?

MAKKAH IS THE HOLIEST CITY ON THE PLANET.

THE "Holy Land" is unarguably the historical and geographical epicenter of YHWH's temple, prophets and witnesses.
Holy Land
Temple

Mecca is the epicenter solely of Mohammedanism and it's lone "prophet" Mohammed. Your empty claim is made by those indoctrinated to follow Mohammed's 7th century religion. If you are claiming otherwise please support your claim.

Madina is Holy as is jerusalem (CITIS OF THE PROPHETS)

Simply saying something doesn't make it magically come true. What claim does Islam have on Jerusalem beside that which springs from Mohammed's unwitnessed story of his magic flying donkey-mule, even as you blaspheme the record of the prophets to follow Mohammed's law.
Please support your contention regarding Medina.

JERUSALEM
The Holy City

NO SCHOLAR BEFORE YOU EVER DISPUTED THE STORIES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD

You mean no ISLAMIC "scholar". That's because they are indoctrinated to believe 7th and 8th century created Mohammedan fiction, and in tern, indoctrinate others to it.
If you are speaking of other than Islamic "scholars", please support your claim.

It would be foolish to suggest other than that EVERY Christian scholar should dispute Mohammed because he rejected the shed blood of Jesus Christ. The whole subject of those that follow Jesus Christ. If a scholar that calls himself Christian advances Mohammedanism he is obviously not a Christian. Mohammed's holy land is Mecca and Muslims bow to and circumambulate the Quraish's black stone idol there. The RESULT of Mohammed's absurd "STORIES" (as you put it).
EVERY Jewish scholar should dispute Mohammed because he created his own law. Even causing his followers to bow toward and circumambulate the Quraish's black stone idol in Mecca as the pagans did. He even created his own "holy day" on Friday, instead of the Sabbath.

YOU DO NOT HAVE PROOF OF MAKKAH FROM MAKKAH

You mean that YOU "DO NOT HAVE PROOF OF MAKKAH FROM MAKKAH". Because it does not exist.  You mean that no scholar before was EVER ABLE TO SUPPORT Mohammed and his boys 7th and 8th century created fiction. If it was supportable the internet would be full of such support. Just like it's full of Ahmed Deedat's lies.

I DID NOT DRAW UP THE LIST AND I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SPECULATE (ASK THE PERSON THAT DREW UP THE LIST) IT IS ABSURD TO EXPECT ME TO ANSWER ON BEHALF OF SOMEONE ELSE (CONJECTURE IS NOT MY STYLE)

Then why don't you search for another list? Why don't you make a list of your own? Why don't you bring us some archaeological and historical evidence that demonstrates that Mecca existed before the Christian era? Why would that be so difficult?
Google the archaeological and historical evidence of Jerusalem, for example. Why is there nothing for Mecca?
How about Wikipedia? Someone tried to put "tradition" in the "early history" section of the Mecca article, but I had to correct that.
The 7th and 8th century created Mohammedan fiction called "tradition" is not a substitute for, could never stand in for thousands of years of prior historical record.

Google golden mean ratio of the earth

Foolish Mohammedan nonsense. Even requires a Mercator projection - which is a distortion of the earth - then it requires selecting a starting point from many - and even then it misses Mecca.
http://www.goldennumber.net/earthphi.htm

You seek a sign because you do not know the Spirit of God.
Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The only place on earth that generates positive energy
The conquest of Makkah was the most peaceful conquest in the history of Conquests

More irrelevant and unrelated poppycock.

[Peter]

You were supposed to have limited yourself to this thread as part of the terms of your return, but you wandered off and got into trouble again.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1938.msg8521#msg8521
Please stick to this thread on your return. Why don't you take the 2 days amassing information that suggests that Mohammed's religion existed before Mohammed.

On your second return please begin by quoting and supporting each and every claim you made in the post above. I broke them down into individual subjects below.
Please respond in order. We'll discuss one topic at a time.

With 252 posts to your credit it's high time you learned how to quote before proceeding. For the posts below simply hit the blue word "Quote" and put all your text AFTER ALL the characters you see including after all [ ].
When you goof up a quote, all the quoting of your post, gets goofed up.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=39.0
If you goof up quoting, with your permission, I can edit your post and try to straighten out the mistake. I can do that for you in any of your prior posts as well with your permission.

After you are done supporting the claims you made in the post above, and we have discussed the support you offered for those claims, then we will start in on your earlier false claims and accusations, related to this forum section, and contained in this thread such as

"WHAT A HYPOCRITE YOU ARE< Human logic stems from his heart, what his heart believes is what the mind conceives and believes.DID YOU NOT ASK IN SEVERAL POSTS IF YOU MUST ABANDON LOGIC AND EVIDENCE TO FOLLOW MUHAMMAD"S RELIGION, and here you stating that all the converts accepted Islam by "employing logic" BIT OF A CONUNDRUM?

BEWARE THE HISTORY OF ISLAM SECTION IS ANYTHING BUT HISTORY BUT FILLED WITH UNFOUNDED CONCLUSIONS< CONJECTURE LIES ABOUT MOON_GODS AND QUOTATIONS OF PRE_ISLAMIC (JAHILIYYAH) DAYS AND VERY LITTLE ISLAMIC QUOTATIONS."

http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1912.msg8157#msg8157

Please review forum decorum. Members are required to engage in exchange. Not simply make unsupported wild and false claims and accusations, and then move on to even more wild claims.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=35.0

DO NOT post in any another thread, before we have exhausted the many topics you raised that are contained in this thread, or it will be another instant, and lengthier time out. We will explore this thread in detail - each and every unaddressed claim you made.

[Peter]

MAKKAH IS THE HOLIEST CITY ON THE PLANET.

THE "Holy Land" is unarguably the historical and geographical epicenter of YHWH's temple, prophets and witnesses.
Holy Land
Temple

Mecca is the epicenter solely of Mohammedanism and it's lone "prophet" Mohammed. Your empty claim is made by those indoctrinated to follow Mohammed's 7th century religion. If you are claiming otherwise please support your claim.

If you try to obfuscate by posting a blizzard of multiple unrelated topics, or material unrelated to the question, it will go straight to spam. Support your claim directly and succinctly or you will deserve another time out.

[Peter]

Madina is Holy as is jerusalem (CITIS OF THE PROPHETS)

Simply saying something doesn't make it magically come true. What claim does Islam have on Jerusalem beside that which springs from Mohammed's unwitnessed story of his magic flying donkey-mule, even as you blaspheme the record of the prophets to follow Mohammed's law.
Please support your contention regarding Medina.

JERUSALEM
The Holy City

[Peter]

NO SCHOLAR BEFORE YOU EVER DISPUTED THE STORIES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD

You mean no ISLAMIC "scholar". That's because they are indoctrinated to believe 7th and 8th century created Mohammedan fiction, and in tern, indoctrinate others to it.
If you are speaking of other than Islamic "scholars", please support your claim.

It would be foolish to suggest other than that EVERY Christian scholar should dispute Mohammed because he rejected the shed blood of Jesus Christ. The whole subject of those that follow Jesus Christ. If a scholar that calls himself Christian advances Mohammedanism he is obviously not a Christian. Mohammed's holy land is Mecca and Muslims bow to and circumambulate the Quraish's black stone idol there. The RESULT of Mohammed's absurd "STORIES" (as you put it).
EVERY Jewish scholar should dispute Mohammed because he created his own law. Even causing his followers to bow toward and circumambulate the Quraish's black stone idol in Mecca as the pagans did. He even created his own "holy day" on Friday, instead of the Sabbath.

[Peter]

YOU DO NOT HAVE PROOF OF MAKKAH FROM MAKKAH

You mean that YOU "DO NOT HAVE PROOF OF MAKKAH FROM MAKKAH". Because it does not exist.  You mean that no scholar before was EVER ABLE TO SUPPORT Mohammed and his boys 7th and 8th century created fiction. If it was supportable the internet would be full of such support. Just like it's full of Ahmed Deedat's lies.

[Peter]

I DID NOT DRAW UP THE LIST AND I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SPECULATE (ASK THE PERSON THAT DREW UP THE LIST) IT IS ABSURD TO EXPECT ME TO ANSWER ON BEHALF OF SOMEONE ELSE (CONJECTURE IS NOT MY STYLE)

Then why don't you search for another list? Why don't you make a list of your own? Why don't you bring us some archaeological and historical evidence that demonstrates that Mecca existed before the Christian era? Why would that be so difficult?
Google the archaeological and historical evidence of Jerusalem, for example. Why is there nothing for Mecca?
How about Wikipedia? Someone tried to put "tradition" in the "early history" section of the Mecca article, but I had to correct that.
The 7th and 8th century created Mohammedan fiction called "tradition" is not a substitute for, could never stand in for thousands of years of prior historical record.

[Mujaheed]

YOU DO NOT HAVE PROOF OF MAKKAH FROM MAKKAH

You mean that YOU "DO NOT HAVE PROOF OF MAKKAH FROM MAKKAH". Because it does not exist.  You mean that no scholar before was EVER ABLE TO SUPPORT Mohammed and his boys 7th and 8th century created fiction. If it was supportable the internet would be full of such support. Just like it's full of Ahmed Deedat's lies.

This id futile argument created by you in an attempt to belittle the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, this is not question ever raised in the time of the prophet nor objected to in the last 1000 years by any Christian Scholar. I believe that Nabi EESA is the messiah based on the Quran and the Hadith and not because of the unknown authors of the NT despite the complete lack of historical evidence. I believe what MuHammad (Messenger of ALLAH) is the source of PROPHETIC truth based on my belief that he is a Prophet sent by ALLAH (THE LORD OF ALL THE PROPHETS THAT CAME BEFORE) to correct the incorrect beliefs of mankind.

IN OTHER WORDS THE REQUEST FOR EVIDENCE IS DENIED, NOT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST BUT IT IS IRRELEVANT and ARGUMENT BASED ON CONJECTURE>

SEEKING EVIDENCE FOR THE LIGHT OF ALL SCRIPTURE IS ABSURD JUST AS SHOWING ME GOD IS. IT DEFIES THE VERY ESSENCE OF BELIEF>

IMAGINE TRYING TO FIND EVIDENCE FOR ALL THE SCRIPTURE!!!!, MADNESS IT S BASED ON BELIEF, not the twisted logic of unknown authors.

[Peter]

YOU DO NOT HAVE PROOF OF MAKKAH FROM MAKKAH

You mean that YOU "DO NOT HAVE PROOF OF MAKKAH FROM MAKKAH". Because it does not exist.  You mean that no scholar before was EVER ABLE TO SUPPORT Mohammed and his boys 7th and 8th century created fiction. If it was supportable the internet would be full of such support. Just like it's full of Ahmed Deedat's lies.

This id futile argument created by you in an attempt to belittle the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, ......

Not at all. It's an attempt to show you that Mohammed is a false prophet - indeed THE false prophet - and his 7th century religion is a lie. The EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2031.0

....... this is not question ever raised in the time of the prophet .......

Why would Mohammed's followers ask questions, when you could follow Mohammed and rape and sexually enslave the wives and children of the vanquished and steal their stuff? Why look a gift horse in the mouth?
Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."
Ishaq:465 "When their wrists were bound with cords, the Apostle was a sea of generosity to us."

[Peter]

....... nor objected to in the last 1000 years by any Christian Scholar.

Even if you could substantiate this claim, of what relevance would it be in this 21st century information age? Where is all the online info of a history of Mecca before that history was created in the 7th and 8th centuries? Where are the Mohammedan answers to this challenge?
This even as other tiny Arabian settlements are well attested in the historical and archaeological record.

I believe that Nabi EESA is the messiah based on the Quran and the Hadith ........

That's right. You believe Mohammed and his alter ego "Allah", in place of YHWH and His 1600 year record.

........ and not because of the unknown authors of the NT despite the complete lack of historical evidence. I believe what MuHammad (Messenger of ALLAH) is the source of PROPHETIC truth based on my belief that he is a Prophet sent by ALLAH (THE LORD OF ALL THE PROPHETS THAT CAME BEFORE) to correct the incorrect beliefs of mankind.

IN OTHER WORDS THE REQUEST FOR EVIDENCE IS DENIED, .......

Then DO NOT put verses of Mohammed in any threads in this forum, as though they have any standing against the 1600 year record of God to mankind.

[Peter]

....... NOT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST ........

But if this were true then you could simply provide some links to it.

........... BUT IT IS IRRELEVANT and ARGUMENT BASED ON CONJECTURE>

You keep getting this backwards. Conjecture is the thousands of years of Mohammedan history that was all created in the 7th and 8th century. Indeed it is necessarily fiction.
The Scriptures are well attested (even confirmed through the Dead Sea scrolls) textually, historically, archaeologically and geographically.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=97.0
Mohammed's 7th century religion fails epically on all of those counts.

 

SEEKING EVIDENCE FOR THE LIGHT OF ALL SCRIPTURE IS ABSURD JUST AS SHOWING ME GOD IS. IT DEFIES THE VERY ESSENCE OF BELIEF>

IMAGINE TRYING TO FIND EVIDENCE FOR ALL THE SCRIPTURE!!!!, MADNESS IT S BASED ON BELIEF, not the twisted logic of unknown authors.

It must be awful being in a position of having to try to believe in something, even as you have to rail against it and blaspheme it, because it's a requirement of following Mohammed.

[Peter]

Please answer in order as requested in the terms of your return to the forum.
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1912.msg8551#msg8551