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Serpent Seed Doctrine & The Kenites - God VS Arnold Murray
« on: March 24, 2012, 10:44:41 AM »
Portions of this OP and thread were edited in later, as the picture became more complete.

Not long ago I was surprised to find an anti-Zionist that was also a futurist. It seemed peculiar because I thought anti-Zionism in the church was pretty much a product of partial-preterism and its replacement theology. A forum member told me he has increasingly run into it in Christian forums. After considerable back and forth with the anti-Zionist, and getting a look down the rotted trail he blazed, I can't say I was surprised to find that path led straight to the doctrine that Hitler employed at his convenience as shown in the replies on this video.

To preface:

KJV Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

And Adam
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
0120 'adam {aw-dawm'}
from 0119; TWOT - 25a; n m
AV - man 408, men 121, Adam 13, person(s) 8, common sort + 07230 1,
hypocrite 1; 552
1) man, mankind
1a) man, human being
1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT)
1c) Adam, first man
1d) city in Jordan valley

Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
03045 yada` {yaw-dah'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 848; v
AV - know 645, known 105, knowledge 19, perceive 18, shew 17, tell 8,
wist 7, understand 7, certainly 7, acknowledge 6, acquaintance 6,
consider 6, declare 6, teach 5, misc 85; 947
1) to know
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to know
1a1a) to know, learn to know
1a1b) to perceive
1a1c) to perceive and see, find out and discern
1a1d) to discriminate, distinguish
1a1e) to know by experience
1a1f) to recognise, admit, acknowledge, confess
1a1g) to consider
1a2) to know, be acquainted with
1a3) to know (a person carnally)

and she conceived
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
02029 harah {haw-raw'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 515; v
AV - conceive 38, woman with child 2, with child 2, again 1, bare 1,
progenitors 1; 43
1) to conceive, become pregnant, bear, be with child, be conceived,

1a) (Qal) to conceive, become pregnant
1b) (Pual) to be conceived
1c) (Poel) to conceive, contrive, devise

the LORD
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
03068 Y@hovah {yeh-ho-vaw'}
from 01961; TWOT - 484a; n pr dei
AV - LORD 6510, GOD 4, JEHOVAH 4, variant 1; 6519
Jehovah = "the existing One"
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136
{Cain that is Gotten or Acquired}

Torah from
Gen 4:1. Now the man knew his wife Eve, and she conceived...

Hebrew interlinear
Gen 4:1 וְהָאָדָ u·e·adm and·the·human
יָדַע ido he-knew
ה ָ chue Eve
אִ ְ ashth·u woman-of·him
הַר ַ u·ther and·she-is-becoming-pregnant

According to the plain truth of scripture, Cain's father was Adam.

Here's apage from Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry.
Best to read the article at the link.

The serpent seed and the Kenites

by Matt Slick

Two additional distinguishing and erroneous doctrines of the Shepherd's Chapel are known as the Serpent Seed doctrine and the Kenite doctrine.  The two are intimately related.  The Serpent Seed doctrine is the teaching that in the Garden of Eden, the serpent (the devil) had sexual relations with Eve.  The result was that she bore Cain.  The descendents of Cain are called Kenites.  Abel, however, is the result of Adam and Eve having relations.

Arnold Murray, the pastor of the Shepherd's Chapel, is the primary advocate of these doctrines which he adamantly teaches and which his followers have adopted as biblical truth.  Mr. Murray states,

    "When you look for the in-depth meaning of "men as trees, walking", you are able to see that Christ wants us to understand there are plantings of God and plantings of the devil.  The plantings of that wicked one began in the garden of Eden with the conception of Cain and follow down through his progeny, the Kenites."   (Newsletter #195, Jan 1995.  See also, #202, August 1995).

The Kenites, according to Mr. Murray, must be exposed.   "We must continue to teach who the Kenites are," says Mr. Murray, (Newsletter #190, August 1994).  He states that the Kenites survived the flood (he denies the global flood) and are found in the lineage of Israel, not Judah, (Newsletter #179, Sept. 1993). Eventually, the Kenites permeated the nation of Israel and are the ones who shouted "Crucify Him," in reference to Jesus, (Newsletter #179, Sept. 1993).

In an attempt at biblical support, on his website at Answers to Critics, Mr. Murray states:

    "In Gen. 3:15 God is speaking to the serpent, 'and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shall bruise his heel.'"

Mr. Murray infers that when God says "thy seed" to Satan, He is referring to the Kenites, the descendents of Cain which were produced through the literal "seed" of Satan.

Mr. Murray is wrong.  We do not really know exactly what form Satan was in the Garden, though I will submit to God's word and affirm it was a serpent of some sort.  Now the Hebrew word used there is "nachash" and it means "serpent" or "snake."  If we take the word literally as snake, then Mr. Murray would be forced to explain how a literal snake could have sexual intercourse with Eve.  If Mr. Murray were to acknowledge the potential of a figurative usage of the term here, then he needs to explain why the term "serpent" would be figurative and the term "seed" would be literal.  Furthermore, if the serpent were Satan in a different form, and Eve spoke to the serpent, then did Eve have sex with a snake or with a different form of the snake; that is, did the snake change into another more apropos form to consummate his deception?  If so, wouldn't Eve have been suspicious of a talking snake that changes form into something else with which she then agrees to have sexual intercourse?  As you can see, the issue, from Mr. Murray's perspective, is wrought with problems.

Nevertheless, his entire position on the Serpent Seed doctrine is easily refuted when we examine Gen. 4:1: "Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, 'I have gotten a manchild with the help of the Lord.'"  We can see that the Bible clearly tells us who the Father of Cain is:  Adam.  The Serpent Seed idea is proven wrong.

In addition, it is more natural to attribute the term "seed" in Gen. 3:15 as a reference to the spiritual decedents of Satan, not his literal ones.  We can see that being a true spiritual descendent is by faith, not by biology.  Consider the following verses which speak of spiritual identification.

    "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God," (Rom. 2:28-29).
    "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God," (Rom. 8:14).
    "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him in order that we may also be glorified with Him," (Rom. 8:16-17).
    "That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants," (Rom. 9:8).

Clearly, being a descendent has a spiritual quality.  Likewise, Satan's descendents are those who identify with him in his lies.  This is why Jesus said in John 8:44 to the Pharisees,

"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar, and the father of lies."

In addition, "seed" is also referred to as the word of God (Matt. 13:18-23; Luke 8:11; 1 Pet. 1:23) and as the spiritual life in (1 John 3:9).  The whole flavor of spiritual identification with God is included in terms of being the offspring of God (Gal. 3:29; Acts 17:28) and the children of God (Rom. 8:16-17).  Consider 1 John 3:9 which says, "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."  Obviously, the Christian does not contain the literal seed of God in him.  Seed here, must refer to a spiritual element of indwelling, of ideology, and of faith.  That is why the Christian does not practice sin.  It is against his beliefs and confession before God and man.  Therefore, God's seed abides in the Christian, but it isn't literal seed, it is a reference to spiritual identification.
Us against Them

The Serpent Seed doctrine is an unscriptural and unfortunate teaching.  From it is derived an "us against them" mentality in which anyone who disagrees with Mr. Murray can easily be accused of being a Kenite.  This is obvious in some of his quotes:

    "How many today are teaching from a quarterly written by a Kenite, rather than teaching from God's Word? (Newsletter #193, Nov. 1994).
    How can we sum this up? If you are doing God's will, don't worry about criticism from others. "Well, Pastor Murray they say we are a cult." Who cares what they say? God is on our side. Victory is a certainty. Does it ever seem like the enemy is winning? Anytime you get to feeling this way, turn to Psalms 9. This Psalm tells us what we should be earnestly expecting. Keep the meaning of "apokaradokia" in mind as we read this Psalm. (Newsletter #229 - November 1997).

Of course, if you study with him you are not being deceived, but if you are studying elsewhere, you're studying with a Kenite or siding with the enemy. Such are the machinations of this leader who teaches false doctrines.

Please be very wary of the Shepherd's Chapel.

The following are a couple excerpts from the full article at this link, which explores the false doctrines and false prophecies of Arnold Murray, as do a myriad of other sites.

The Serpent Seed Doctrine and the Kenites

Another central teaching of Arnold Murray is the serpent seed doctrine. According to Murray, Eve had sex with the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. In 2 Corinthians 11:3, Murray uses the word "beguiled" to mean "wholly seduced". Hence, Murray claims the Serpent sexually seduced Eve who then became pregnant with Cain; the devil's literal offspring. Murray asserts that the offspring of Cain are called the "Kenites". He also states that the Kenites are not a race, "but a hybrid". (Genesis 1:1-6:22, tape #146) He thus seems to implicitly consider them to be less than human. Mr. Murray claims that many of the Kenites are Jewish! Based upon the "creed" of the Shepherd's Chapel, Murray states, "We believe in an existing Satan... who has a people who will not hear God (John 8:44-47)". (Our Statement of Faith, p.2) In John 8:44-47, the context clearly states that these people who are the "children of the devil" are Jews (8:31-58).

Hence, Murray believes that Jesus is referring to these particular Jews as the literal offspring of Satan. Regarding the Jews he writes, "Now, who stands in Jerusalem today?.. the sons of Cain or those who will not accept Jesus Christ.. the Kenites, that founded a new nation starting in 1948."

(The Shepherd's Bible, Commentary by Arnold Murray, 1979) He calls them "scum", and obviously makes the racial Jewish businessman remark when he states, "If you want to get a Kenite upset, bother his money table". (Parable of the Fig Tree, Tape #445)

Murray connects these Jews with Cain by Christ's comment in John 8:44 that their father was a "murderer from the beginning.. To affirm these Jews as the offspring of Cain (i.e., the Kenites), Murray refers to Cain's murder of Abel in Genesis 4.0ne can only conclude that Mr. Murray has made statements that label him as a white supremacist. He might tell colored people to be proud of who they are, but then again, so do some white supremacists.

The real questions the followers of Arnold Murray need to ask are: Does Arnold Murray think that non-whites are equal to whites in every respect? Does he approve of interracial Christian marriages like the Bible does? (Gen. 16; Num. 12 cL, Gen. 10:6 ~ Amos 9:7; Song of Sol. 1:5-7 cf., 3:7-11; 1 Cor. 7:39; Gal. 3:28 [note: The only type of marriage the Bible forbids is one between believer and nonbeliever: Ex. 34:14-16; 1 Cor. 7:39; 2 Cor. 6:14]) Would Mr. Murray let a black or a Christian of Jewish ancestry preach at his church-perhaps even take it over if he were to pass away? What does Murray think about the Jewish holocaust in World War II? What does he think about the Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan? These types of questions need to be addressed to Arnold Murray.

The Kenites and the Flood of Noah

In order to support his view that the Kenites survived the flood, Murray misinterprets Genesis 6:7. Instead of adhering to the plain meaning of the text in which God says that he will wipe out all mankind, Murray claims that this phrase is a figure of speech which means that he'll wipe out "more or less" everything. (Tape #146) According to Murray, it cannot mean that God would wipe out absolutely everyone, because Noah and his family survived the flood.

In the same context, however, the Bible states that the only exception to this flood would be Noah and his family because Noah was a righteous man (Gen. 6:8-9). All the rest of humanity would be completely wiped out (cL 7:19-23).

God told Noah the reason why He would destroy all humans was because mankind had become wicked (6:10-13). If the purpose of the flood was to wipe out sin, then why would God allow some of the "wicked Kenites" to survive? The only logical explanation is to believe that God wiped out all mankind, including all the Kenites.

Additionally, in Genesis 9:11 God promises Noah that He would never again destroy all flesh by means of a flood. But if this flood were merely a local community flood which did not even reach the people of the land of Nod, as Murray claims, then God must have lied because we still have had hundreds of local floods over the years. The only way to affirm that God kept His promise is to believe that this flood universally destroyed all human life. Regardless of whether one believes that the flood of Noah covered the entire earth, or only a portion of it, the evidence is clear that this flood destroyed all mankind except for one family. Other cultures testify to this as well.

*In order to escape this evidence, Murray makes the assertion that some Kenites actually managed to get on board of Noah's ark. Since Noah took Two of every flesh, Murray concludes that he also took two Kenites on board! (Kenites, Tape #436).

The Bible, however, clearly affirms that Noah, his wife, and his three sons and their wives were the only humans who survived the flood (Gen.6:18; 9:18,19; 2 Pet.2:5). In order to be true to Scripture Murray must either conclude that absolutely no Kenites survived the flood, or admit that he is a racist for believing the Kenites cannot really be considered human. He appears to hold the latter by saying the Kenites are not a race, "but a hybrid". (Tape #146)

Nevertheless, even if the Kenites were less than human, they still committed sin according to Murray. And as mentioned earlier, the purpose of the flood was to wipe out sin and wickedness. If any Kenite survived the flood, then God failed to achieve His purpose. Thus, either God made a mistake, or Arnold Murray made a mistake. Since God is perfect, and Murray isn't, we must conclude that Murray is wrong, God is right, and there are no Kenites alive today.

More resources

Who is Arnold Murray?

You may not need to go much beyond a search of - Arnold Murray and racism


I've never seen a Wikipedia article cancelled out before. Perhaps the skinheads and Nazis waged such a pitched battle against the truth it became impossible.

What does the Shepherd's Chapel teach?

Here's some notes on it.

CARM Arnold Murray

serpent seed

gap theory


"Christian identity movement" / "Anglo-Isrealism"

This guy lists a pretty wacky false prophecy of Murray's
He predicted that the war of Armageddon will start on June 8-9, 1985 in "a valley of the Alaskan peninsula."

An amusing video on 4 false prophecies of Mr Murray

The failed 1981 predictions of "the" antichrist by a former follower of Murray. Was even married by him. Includes complete false prophecy lectures.


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Re: The Kenites - God VS Arnold Murray
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2012, 09:03:28 PM »
Did you happen to notice that David fought a GIANT? There are MANY other things that can not be explained like this. Many Christians Scholars debate on just how much was flooded. For example the word World as in the whole world verses Erets (spl?) meaning the land, that is a big difference. 1st Chron 2:55 tells us about Cains sons. There are others. AGAIN I don't know why you insist on attacking a Real teacher of God's word.  Look,  I am not going to argue the point if you don't understand this then that is your problem. You already know the English DID lose some in the translation. I suppose it is only when it supports your view when it is ok to apply this.


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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2012, 09:36:53 PM »
Did you happen to notice that David fought a GIANT? There are MANY other things that can not be explained like this. Many Christians Scholars debate on just how much was flooded. For example the word World as in the whole world verses Erets (spl?) meaning the land, that is a big difference. 1st Chron 2:55 tells us about Cains sons. There are others. AGAIN I don't know why you insist on attacking a Real teacher of God's word.  Look,  I am not going to argue the point if you don't understand this then that is your problem. You already know the English DID lose some in the translation. I suppose it is only when it supports your view when it is ok to apply this.

1Ch 2:55  And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

Nothing in this verse says anything about Cain's sons. In fact not one of the twelve verses that use the term Kenite or Kenites says  that Kenites or the descendents of Cain or Satan. What we do know that a Kenite is one that comes from a land called Kenite. Like a person from California being called a Califorian etc... Isn't it funny how Arnold Murray builds doctrines on mans definition's instead of what Scripture actually states?
Rom 1:16  For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;.....


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Re: The Kenites & serpent seed - God VS Arnold Murray
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2012, 09:57:08 AM »

"The serpent seed is a vile, wretched theory that began with Hitler, and Murray touts it as his own. The Serpent Seed was the core belief and motivation for Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany. Hitler wrote that he was told by Lucifer that Jews were the offspring of Satan having sex with Eve and producing Cain who then was also the father of the dark skinned races. Hitler was told that when he destroyed the Jews and the black race, then the Aryan gods would return to earth and set up the kingdom of god and anoint Hitler as the first human king."



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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2012, 10:10:39 AM »
Scroll to near bottom for this excerpt:

This "Serpent Seed" doctrine is not a new revelation but an ancient teaching of Satan himself. The "Serpent Seed" ("SS") doctrine is a cunning DISTORTION of the Bible and the genetic line of Cain and Seth. It is biblically false and the CORE BELIEF of Nazism, Aryanism, Neo Nazis, Satanists and the Luciferic Illuminati. It was responsible for the Holocaust and the death of six million Jews, World War II and the loss of millions of more lives.

The doctrine of the Serpent Seedline was the core belief and motivation of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi "SS." Hitler himself wrote that he was told by Lucifer that the Jewish race was the "Serpent Seed" race -- the offspring of "the Devil having sex with Eve and producing Cain" who was then also the father of the dark-skinned races. Hitler was told that when he destroys the "Serpent Seed" race of the Jews and the black race, then the "Aryan super-gods" would return to earth and set up the "Kingdom of God" and anoint Hitler as the first human king.

Writes D. Sklar in The Nazis and the Occult --

    Though the medieval Christian persecuted the Gnostics, it is scarcely surprising that he accepted their view of the Jew as THE CHILD OF SATAN. Despite outward appearances, it seemed that the Jew was not really a human creature. He did not smell human. It was said that he ate Christian children; that horns even grew out of his head. In certain periods in Vienna, he was required to wear a horned hat; in France, a horn-shaped figure on his badge. SATAN, in his portraits, has decidedly Semitic features...

Continues Sklar:

    The body, too, BELONGED TO SATAN. It was the prison of the soul. Physical man was a brute -- one of Satan's nicknames was God's Ape -- and it was through the passions, particularly sex, that man's greatest demonic temptations came. Here, also, the Jew was considered the exemplary demonic being, living only for his appetites, not the least the sexual appetite. The simplest way for the devil to invade souls was through possession, and the most intimate form of possession was through sexual intercourse. It was not uncommon for the devil to unite himself with human beings this way, and all the evil in the world was proof of the number of diabolical children thus begotten (Dorset Press, NY: 1989, pp. 143-144).

Hitler absorbed this perverted thinking that was also echoed by Madame Blavatsky who said that the Gnostics "were right in regarding Jewish God as belonging to a class of lower, material and not very holy denizens of the invisible world...For the creation of those wretched races, in a spiritual and moral sense, which grace our globe, no high divinity could be made responsible, but only ANGELS OF A LOW HIERARCHY, to which class they relegated the Jewish God, Jehovah" (The Secret Doctrine).

Furthermore, continues Blavatsky, "the Jewish God was identical with CAIN, son of Eve BY SATAN"!

The anti-Semites -- including Hitler -- embraced this swill with glee, and the concept of Aryanism was wedded to the forces of darkness. Nature, they said, decreed that the union of Aryan and Semite resulted in a HYBRID MONSTROSITY. Hitler, in commenting to Hermann Rauschning during the 1930s, said:

    It's the sheer simple undiluted truth. Two worlds face one another -- the men of God and the men of Satan! The Jew is the anti-man, the creature of another god. He must have come from another root of the human race. I stood the Aryan and the Jew over against each other, and if I call one of them a human being I must call the other something else. The two are as widely separated as man and beast. Not that I would call the Jew a beast. He is much further from the beasts than we Aryans. He is a creature OUTSIDE NATURE AND ALIEN TO NATURE (The Nazis and the Occult, p. 146).

NO GOOD FRUIT COMES FROM THE DOCTRINE OF THE SERPENT SEED! Stay away from it! You cannot mix the things of YEHOVAH God with the things of Satan. Light has no fellowship with darkness! Seedliners cling to a DANGEROUS PERVERSION that has more than once plunged this world into chaos and disaster.


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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2012, 08:27:47 AM »

"There are many false doctrines that are taught by some that profess to be Christians, but very few are as dangerous as the Serpent Seed Theory. The theory teaches that Cain was really the son of Lucifer even though the Bible clearly states the opposite. At the heart of this Satanic doctrine is usually the lie that the Jews in Israel today are really the seed of Satan. This is the same doctrine that Hitler used to justify the slaughter of millions of innocent people."


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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 08:35:02 AM »

"Some variation of the Serpent's Seed doctrine has been around for thousands of years. It is rooted in ancient Babylonian teachings, but as is true with many pagan concepts, it really gained prominence when God's own people—Israel—absorbed these heresies and began to popularize them with their faulty interpretation of the Holy Scriptures. Some form of this heresy is found in ancient Jewish teachings as well as segments of so-called Christian theology, both early and modern. But what exactly is the Serpent's Seed doctrine?"

(Go to the link to read the full article. It concludes in part...)

"Why would the pagan concepts in the Serpent's Seed heresy be any more dangerous to God's people than myriad other falsehoods extant today? Besides the principles already covered, there is an insidious element which could affect us all greatly in the future. What is that element?

           The Serpent's Seed doctrine is the hallmark of most radical hate groups today. Whether it involves neo-Nazis, right-wing militias, or one of the many other white supremacist groups, most of them share this doctrine in common. How do they justify their hatred toward Jews, non-whites, and others? They believe these people are not real people at all! They believe they are not children of Adam, but descended from Satan, and that is how they justify not only resisting them, but persecuting and killing them. Hitler and his ilk did not view themselves as murderers. They truly felt they were cleansing the earth of Satan's illicit spawn that were not intended by God to be here at all. That is often how genocide occurs. How do they try to justify such perverted concepts from the Bible?"


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Re: Serpent Seed Doctrine & The Kenites - God VS Arnold Murray
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 08:45:07 AM »
For thousands more Yahoo hitler serpent seed doctrine

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Quoting Marturion in his thread on Arnold Murray:

“What about teaching Serpent Seed? I make no apology for teaching the Word of God.”
The quote above is taken directly from Arnold B. Murray’s Answer to Critcs.