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Arnold Murray, Shepherds chapel, False teaching, False prophet, serpent seed, Kenites, modalism

“What about teaching Serpent Seed? I make no apology for teaching the Word of God.”
The quote above is taken directly from Arnold B. Murray’s Answer to Critcs.
http://www.shepherdschapel.com/critics.htm

Gen 3:15  And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Murray teaches that “thy seed” refers to Cain (as the son of Satan) and “her seed” is Abel. The New Testament teaches that Christ is the fulfillment of this verse (Romans16:20, Hebrews2:14, and 1John3:8  ) In addition we must also consider that this occurred before Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden (see Gen3:24). So Murray’s timing is off, Eve did not conceive until after they left the Garden.
Gen4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
As the verse above shows it was Adam that knew his wife, not Satan. And let’s not forget the verse tells us the man was from the Lord not Satan.

Nowhere in Scripture does it state that Satan had relations with Eve. Murray perverts Scripture by saying that in 2Cor11:3 beguile means that Satan seduced Eve sexually.
2Cor11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
The Greek word translated as beguile is exapatao.
G1818 ἐξαπατάω exapataō ex-ap-at-ah'-o
From G1537 and G538; to seduce wholly: - beguile, deceive.
From Merriam Webster
Definition of BEGUILE\ transitive verb
1: to lead by deception
2: hood wink
3: to while away especially by some agreeable occupation; also: divert 2
4: to engage the interest of by guile
intransitive verb:
to deceive by wiles
But as we can clearly see the intent of the verse was to state that Eve was deceived.
So as we can clearly see Arnold Murray leans on private interpretation of the verse to justify perversion of truth.

Murray teaches John8:44 that we should interpret father in the biological sense. But is he correct?
John8:44 Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
So let’s put it in it’s proper context and show the fallacy of Murray’s teaching. Who was Jesus talking to?
John8:33-34 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage
to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?  Jesus answered them, Verily, verily,
I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin
John8:33-34 makes it clear that Jesus recognized biologically (physical seed) they were the descendents of Abraham (not Satan).  It is not about the flesh (physical seed) but about the heart (spiritual seed).
Rom2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision,
which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Clearly from Romans we can see that it is not about the flesh, the physical seed but about the spiritual seed. It is the circumcision of the heart that matters not our genealogy.

As for as Murrays view on Kenites goes there are only 12 verses in Scripture that use the term Kenite or Kenites , not once in any of those verses does it say they or descendants of Cain or Satan. (Kenite Num24:22, Jdg1:16, Jdg4:11 Jdg4:17 and Jdg5:24, Kenites Gen15:19, Num24:21,Jdg4:11, 1Sam15:6, 1Sam27:10, 1sam30:29 and1Ch2:55). After the flood which killed all, but the eight righteous people on the ark eliminating  the possibility that any of Cains or Satan’s  descendents could have survived.
 Gen 6:18  But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
So hypothetically speaking even if Cain was the offspring of Satan they (Kenites) would have all been eliminated by the flood.

Referring to Christ, Arnold Murray says “His spirit is holy and he is the holy spirit” (Shepherds Chapel Q&A period aired 6/4/91) The roots of this belief can be traced to Gnostics. Murray is a  Modalist  one can read more about modalism at http://carm.org/modalism

Arnold MurRAy the false prophet. Information on Murrays failed prophecies can be found on numerous videos such as this one with a recording from 1980 about 4 things that would supposedly happen in 1981 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xBPsL5ELoU  Needless to say from our vantage point in 2012 we can see these predictions failed. Interestingly in this video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbr8cds48kk&feature=related from 1988 says the one world system has not come to pass. Wait a minute Mr Murray didn’t you say back in 1980 thar would happen in 80 or 81? Now you contradict yourself 7 or 8 years later by saying it is still future?
I’ve only touched briefly on some of the fallacies being promoted by Arnold Murray, most of these subjects plus a few more should be addressed in greater detail. But even with this brief overview of the fallacies being taught coupled with his failed predicitions should be enough for anyone to see that those who follow his teachings are being misled.



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I'll add some resources near your OP.

The more you investigate I believe the more you will find is that Arnold Murray, with his unique Kenite addition, winds up effectively being a sugar coating on Serpent Seed doctrine that "Identity" groups hold full on. That's how so many former members of Murray's cult go on to preach hard-core Identity doctrine, accusing Murray as only going half-way. Murray's cult served as a stepping stone for those folks.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/gravette-ar/TM45HVG5UC1PI7AG0

The half-way there is Murray's fictitious group he identifies as "Kenites" that allows Murray and his followers to effectively say 'gee I love the Jews, I just don't like those Kenites that live in Israel.' Basically, 'gee I love Jews but not those I desagree with because they're Kenites'. Murray keeps members of his cult in bondage by, for example in 1980, accusing that if folks thought a series of parallels through which he was prophesying a temple would be built in 1981 was a coincidence, "then you are not one of God's elect."

The Kenites and the Flood of Noah
http://www.angelfire.com/me/Merethe/arnoldmurray.html

Here's another from Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry.
Best to read the article at the link.
http://carm.org/serpent-seed-and-kenites

Who is Arnold Murray?
http://carm.org/who-arnold-murray

You may not need to go much beyond a search of - Arnold Murray and racism
http://unsettledchristianity.com/2009/02/the-racism-of-arnold-murray/

ARNOLD MURRAY / A.K.A. SHEPHERD'S CHAPEL ~ RACIST CULT
http://cultbustersgalactica.yuku.com/topic/20/t/ARNOLD-MURRAY-A-K-A-SHEPHERD-S-CHAPEL-RACIST-CULT.html?page=16#.T2tWZ9mep3o

I've never seen a Wikipedia article cancelled out before. Perhaps the skinheads and Nazis waged such a pitched battle against the truth it became impossible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Murray
Here's some notes on it.
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/ipc/Group_5_Dispute_Results

What does the Shepherd's Chapel teach?
http://carm.org/what-does-shepherds-chapel-teach

serpent seed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed

gap theory
http://www.angelfire.com/me/Merethe/arnoldmurray.html

modalism
http://carm.org/modalism

"Christian identity movement" / "Anglo-Isrealism"
http://carm.org/christian-identity-movement

This guy lists a pretty wacky false prophecy of Murray's
http://www.mikeschristiancorner.com/murray.html
Apparently Murray predicted that the war of Armageddon would start on June 8-9, 1985 in "a valley of the Alaskan peninsula."

An amusing video on 4 false prophecies of Mr Murray
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xBPsL5ELoU

The failed 1981 predictions of "the" antichrist by a former follower of Murray. Was even married by him. Includes complete false prophecy lectures.
http://oraclesofgod.org/1980/1980.htm

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The problem with false prophets, is that even after they are demonstrated to have falsely prophesied their minions continue following them, and continue to finance their false teachings. In 1980 Arnold Murray prophesied a temple to be built in 1981, though it seems he learned enough of a lesson to hedge his bet regarding 2012.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ivDUtVtHCg

He employs the same device as Muhammad and other cults like SDA that believe those that go to church on Sunday are in the "synagogue of Satan". In short: "If you don't follow me you will be damned to burn in hell."

"I'm being a good Christian servant, supposedly, worshiping Jesus you think...but you end up worshiping Satan...what kind of shame is that going to be."
That's a very good point. So what will Jesus say to those that hold the previously demonstrated false prophet Arnold Murray's (1980 prophesied temple in 1981) "Kenite" fiction, and the "serpent seed line" doctrine also held by 19th century satanist Madame Helena Blavatsky, Hitler & Nazis, Aryans, skinheads, and the KKK?
watch?v=cbKxdep4-2w
PeteWaldo 20 minutes ago

It would seem that God unsealed the book of Daniel by allowing those living in, what Daniel's prophecy calls the "time of the end", to see both ends of the "times" and day=year math problems that were assigned to us by scripture. The math that was recognized by but perplexed, reformers like Isaac Newton, Matthew Henry and Theileman van Braght, that have been made clear to us today.
watch?v=ManZPZeROdc
PeteWaldo 1 minute ago

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A one minute video on Murray's offspring of his fictitious sexual union between the Eve and the serpent, producing Satan's spawn - the "Kenites" - (that he ascribes to what he calls "fake" Jews in Israel) and how they joined Noah's family aboard the ark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQKPLDm91lA

The most obvious problem with the very people that God made the flood to destroy, fooling God and surviving the flood by stowing away on the ark, is who scripture tells us humanity is descended from.

Gen 6:18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

Gen 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Gen 9:17 And God said unto Noah, This [is] the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that [is] upon the earth. 18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham [is] the father of Canaan. 19 These [are] the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.

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Murray indoctrinates, by peppering his preaching with straw-man arguments, that involve truths that a Christian wouldn't disagree with, but that are articulated as if people that disagree with his doctrine, disagree with simple truths. He then mixes truth in as part of his argument, and people wind up being deceived into believing that if they agree with that fundamental truth that he injects, then they should buy into his recycled Gnostic serpent seed doctrine, or they must have compromised intellects.

Go to the 19:40 minute mark in this video for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmr94n-0ck8

He quotes:

"dragon, that old serpent... hey, there it is, I'm not adding anything to this... which is the devil. In other words the serpent is the devil. Oh that's difficult, isn't it. You know, that is tough. That is really tough. Some people have a difficult time understanding a sentence like that, that old serpent which is the devil. You know, you've really... you should have a degree to absorb that. That's complicated. Should we teach a serpent seed? Oh my no, that's not nice. Jesus did. Are you saying he's not nice? Come on, mature! And accept the teachings. Be a disciple of Jesus-a. Don't hide your head in the sand, and hide from a truth."

Murray even says "In other words the serpent is the devil." when it's not other words at all, but what the verse says!

If you keep listening it gets a lot worse real soon.