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The supersessionism of some mainstream apostate churches even in Israel, causes them to reject our YHWH worshiping Jewish brethren to such an extent, that they join with the so-called "Palestinian" followers of the false prophet Muhammad - who continue to consistently refuse to renounce violence or to recognize the Jewish State's right to exist (and who regularly blew themselves up in crowded marketplaces and on buses and such until the security fence was installed) - toward their own destruction in one-sided criticism of the Israeli Jewish State that does its best to protect the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of ALL Israelis under the circumstances. Even calling the wall that protects Israelis from suicide bombers an “Apartheid Wall”. Always the usual blind suspects like United Church of Christ and Presbyterian Church:
http://jcpa.org/article/updating-the-ancient-infrastructure-of-christian-contempt-sabeel/
This in spite of what Christians are suffering in Gaza now that the "Palestinians" run the show:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3272.0
And in light of what is going on in the Islamic conquest of Nigeria which has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Zionism.
http://www.nigeriacalabash.com/content/attack-christians-11-2011
Which is obviously exactly what would be going on in Israel, if Muslims were to gain power:
http://www.modernzionism.com/zionism_in_christianity.htm#christianity_in_zionism

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Re: Mainstream Anti-Zionist "Churches" Against Jews, Even in Israel
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2013, 07:43:47 AM »
It isn't hard to discover why these birds of a feather flock together. When you find a "church" that uses the counter-Gospel term "Palestine", that rails against Israeli Jews with conspicuous bias thereby advancing the Islamic conquest of not only Israel - but the rest of the civilized world - simply bing the name of the church along with "partial preterist", which causes them to view all Jews, faithful or atheist, as a monolithic group as a result of their punitive supersessionist replacement theology.
Follow that search with the name of the church and a search for anti-zionist. Then ordination women. Then ordination homosexuals. It is the apostate liberal "church". Institutions that put their effort into conforming their churches to the world, rather than the reverse. Churches that seem more interested in the "carbon footprint" of their building than preaching Christ crucified. If this seems like a joke google the name of the church along with - global warming.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3683.msg15164#msg15164

For whatever financial or political reasons, the United Church of Christ and the Presbyterian Church have (briefly?) repented from their anti-Israel resolution, but what is relevant is the spirit that guided their hearts there in the first place.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/log/archives/00000399.html

United Church of Christ for example, including Louis Farrakan's apologist friend and Barak Obama's pastor Jeremiah Wright's Trinity Church of Christ.

"united church of christ" "partial preterist"
and then what naturally follows
"united church of christ" "anti-zionist"
"united church of christ" "ordain women"
"united church of christ" "ordain homosexuals"

You will find many of the same liberal churches voted on divestment of assets in Israel's democracy.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3673.0
While it obviously never occurred to them to do the same for Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or any other of the myriad of Islamic regimes that murder Christians and Jews and burn churches and synagogues, from the human rights watch list or otherwise, because it wouldn't advance their supersessionist disdain for Jews.
As further evidenced through World Council of Churches penchant for communism.

Try a search like - canadian churches anti-zionist
"Mainline Canadian churches, like their counterparts in the United States, have addressed petitions seeking commitment to the Durban indictment against Israel."
http://jcpa.org/article/anti-zionism-and-the-churches-the-canadian-scene/

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Re: Mainstream Anti-Zionist "Churches" - Even in Israel
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2013, 10:50:34 AM »
Makes me wonder a little if the anti-Zionism of some Israeli Christians didn't earn some the fate that Christians in Gaza have begun to suffer.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3272.0

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Re: Mainstream Anti-Zionist "Churches" - Even in Israel
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2013, 09:49:56 AM »
Here are some of the usual suspects, conveniently listed:
http://www.christianzionism.org/churchesN.asp

By the way, there are at least more dead links to anti-zionist articles by those churches than working links. Just speculation, but perhaps they thought it in part responsible for shrinking congregations, and income.

I noticed that the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod is listed, which is promoted in the signature, of a rabidly anti-Zionist and what appeared to be, a conspicuously demonized poster, in another forum.

The Lutheran as well as the Evangelical Lutheran Church seem to be given wholly over to anti-Zionism, proposing suicide for Israeli Jews in the naive suggestion: "The campaign supports ..... a shared Jerusalem with equal access and rights for Jews, Muslims and Christians." Effectively supporting a resumption of the suicide-bombing of Israeli schools and market places, by Israel's enemies, who remain committed to genocide of all Israeli Jews.
http://www.elca.org/Our-Faith-In-Action/Justice/Peace-Not-Walls.aspx

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Re: Mainstream "Christian" Anti-Zionist "Churches" - Even in Israel
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2013, 10:02:25 AM »
JoAnn G. Magnuson - a lonely voice crying out in the wilderness of the Lutheran Church.
http://www.elca.org/What-We-Believe/Social-Issues/Journal-of-Lutheran-Ethics/Issues/May-2007/Christian-Zionism.aspx

[8] At the outset I would argue that the Christian scriptures do not require acceptance of the idea that by rejecting Jesus as Messiah the Jews forfeited their place as God's elect, covenant people and the Christian church has superceded the Jews as the "New Israel." Certainly we see that the believers in Jesus have been "grafted in" to what had been originally a Jewish family tree. The New Testament is generally silent about supersessionism except in Paul's famous Romans 9-11 section, where he takes Gentile believers to task for being arrogant over the natural branches -- the Jews.

"[57] During World War II, my Grandmother and I developed an evening ritual, parking ourselves in front of the old Silvertone radio to listen carefully to the "war news." Several older cousins were in the army and prayers were always raised on their behalf.  Gram always read from the Bible, particularly from the prophet Jeremiah, often the portion which says, "This is what the Lord says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar -- the Lord Almighty is his name: 'Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,' declares the Lord, 'will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before me.'  This is what the Lord says: 'Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done,' declares the Lord", (Jer. 31:35-37)."

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Re: Mainstream "Christian" Anti-Zionist "Churches" - Even in Israel
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2013, 09:18:53 AM »
Interesting tidbit:

"Occasionally, traditional churches that feel threatened by evangelism work with Muslims to carry out persecution against those who evangelize."

http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51

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Re: Mainstream "Christian" Anti-Zionist "Churches" - Even in Israel
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2013, 12:15:03 PM »
Interesting tidbit:

"Occasionally, traditional churches that feel threatened by evangelism work with Muslims to carry out persecution against those who evangelize."

http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51

I clicked that link and didn't see the phrase you quoted.  What came up was a map with different regions to click on.  I did find that clicking on Ethiopia opened up a somewhat similar statement... but nothing of the severity of what you quoted above.

The parts that bring me nearly to tears are:

1.  The idea of supposed Christians promoting supercessionism... in light of Romans 11.

I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, [WARNING-->]lest you should be wise in your own opinion[<--WARNING], that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.



And, for number 2 (that brings me to tears), I've placed that in the 'discussion among bretheren' section at this link http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3448.msg15851#msg15851

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Re: Mainstream "Christian" Anti-Zionist "Churches" - Even in Israel
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2013, 12:39:09 PM »
Interesting tidbit:

"Occasionally, traditional churches that feel threatened by evangelism work with Muslims to carry out persecution against those who evangelize."

http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51

I clicked that link and didn't see the phrase you quoted. 

Sorry, I didn't realize that. Hit that link and then click on the location pin for Syria. Guess with the one you found, it may not be unusual. Certainly not a surprise from the supersessionist "church".

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Re: Mainstream "Christian" Anti-Zionist "Churches" - Even in Israel
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2013, 12:50:15 PM »
Interesting tidbit:

"Occasionally, traditional churches that feel threatened by evangelism work with Muslims to carry out persecution against those who evangelize."

http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51

I clicked that link and didn't see the phrase you quoted.  What came up was a map with different regions to click on.  I did find that clicking on Ethiopia opened up a somewhat similar statement... but nothing of the severity of what you quoted above.

The parts that bring me nearly to tears .......

I get choked up every time I am engaged in discussion of this subject. As the first time when I cried out and wept like a baby while reading "One More Time" in The False Prophet. That's when I knew the Lord had given me a very specific answer, to the very specific question I had asked Him just weeks before (and forgot about almost as soon as I had asked it). I asked "What about Jews in this Christian era?"
http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/spirit_of_slumber.htm

....... are:

1.  The idea of supposed Christians promoting supercessionism... in light of Romans 11.

No coincidence those "churches" that engage in it and peddle it are anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian, progressive, church ordinance discarding, liberal institutions.

I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, [WARNING-->]lest you should be wise in your own opinion[<--WARNING], that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Here's how Isaac Newton chastised, while also expressing anticipation for the restoration of Jews to their land, centuries before it began:

“Hence I observe these things, first that the restauration of the Jewish nation so much spoken of by the old Prophets respects not the few Jews who were converted in the Apostles days, but the dispersed nation of the unbelieving Jews to be converted in the end when the fullness of the Gentiles shall enter, that is when the Gospel (upon the fall of Babylon) shall begin to be preached to all nations. Secondly that the prophecies of Isaiah described above by being here cited by the Apostle is limited to respect the time of the future conversion and restitution of the Jewish Nation, and thirdly that the humour which has long reigned among the Christians of boasting our selves against the Jews, and insulting over them for their not believing, is reprehended by the Apostle for high –mindedness and self-conceipt, and much more is our using them despightfully, Pharisaicall and impious.
http://www.zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_christianity.htm#christians_on_zionism


26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. [/b]29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

And, for number 2 (that brings me to tears), I've placed that in the 'discussion among bretheren' section at this link http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3448.msg15851#msg15851

RC on the subject:

Pope Innocent IV: “The wicked perfidy of the Jews - from whose hearts Our Saviour did not remove the veil because of their enormous crimes but caused them justly to continue in their blindness, commit acts of shame which engender astonishment in those who hear, and terror in those who discover it.” (The Wicked Perfidy of the Jews)

Basically parroting Hippolytus:

"5. Listen with understanding, O Jew....."

6. And then hear what follows: "Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not." And surely you have been darkened in the eyes of your soul with a darkness utter and everlasting. For now that the true light has arisen, you wander as in the night, and stumble on places with no roads, and fall headlong, as having forsaken the way that says, "I am the way." Furthermore, hear this yet more serious word: "And their back do you bend always; "that means, in order that they may be slaves to the nations, not four hundred and thirty years as in Egypt, nor seventy as in Babylon, but bend them to servitude, he says, "always."...."
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0503.htm

http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3684.msg15854#msg15854

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Re: Mainstream "Christian" Anti-Zionist "Churches" - Even in Israel
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2013, 12:54:31 PM »
Interesting tidbit:

"Occasionally, traditional churches that feel threatened by evangelism work with Muslims to carry out persecution against those who evangelize."

http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51
I clicked that link and didn't see the phrase you quoted. 
Sorry, I didn't realize that. Hit that link and then click on the location pin for Syria.

It is sad.  Very sad.  It reminds me of Paul being abandoned by those that were ashamed of his chains that he bore for Christ's sake.

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Re: Mainstream "Christian" Anti-Zionist "Churches" - Even in Israel
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2014, 07:06:10 PM »
Interesting tidbit:

"Occasionally, traditional churches that feel threatened by evangelism work with Muslims to carry out persecution against those who evangelize."

http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51
I clicked that link and didn't see the phrase you quoted. 
Sorry, I didn't realize that. Hit that link and then click on the location pin for Syria.

It is sad.  Very sad.  It reminds me of Paul being abandoned by those that were ashamed of his chains that he bore for Christ's sake.

The usual suspects, but it may be more pervasive than Ithought. Churches that operate by putting their flock in bondage, and others that ignore ordinances and ordain women and homosexuals.


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Re: Mainstream "Christian" Anti-Zionist "Churches" - Even in Israel
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2014, 08:19:27 AM »
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/mark-d-tooley/anti-israel-zealots-chastise-episcopal-church/
"Prominent, radically anti-Israel Episcopalians are urging their denomination to adopt a more aggressive stance towards Israel, including divestment. The Episcopal Church largely has stood back from some of the more stridently negative policies towards Israel adopted by other old-line Protestant denominations.  It has avoided serious consideration of anti-Israel divestment.  And its officials did not endorse an ecumenical plea with other denominations last October asking the U.S. Congress to reconsider U.S. military aid to Israel, a plea prompting major Jewish groups to cancel scheduled interfaith dialogue with those denominations."

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Re: Mainstream "Christian" Anti-Zionist "Churches" - Even in Israel
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2014, 08:23:21 AM »
http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/content/boycott-israel-grows-anglican-church-architect-association-join
Boycott of Israel grows as Anglican Church, Architect Association join

With the recent announcement by the Church of England that it would divest from companies which profit from Israel's occupation, as well as a similar divestment by an Architect's Association in England, the 'Boycott Israel' campaign appears to be gaining ground.

 Based on a similar 'divestment/boycott' campaign against the apartheid regime of South Africa in the 1980s, the focus of the boycott is to put pressure on companies that do business with Israel to divest until Israel changes its policies.

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Re: Mainstream "Christian" Anti-Zionist "Churches" - Even in Israel
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2014, 10:38:24 AM »
"Old Lyme church takes stance for Palestine

Published October 25. 2014 4:00AM

Updated October 25. 2014 11:56PM
By Kimberly Drelich
Publication: The Day

Old Lyme - After combing through its endowment to ensure it wasn't investing in "companies profiting from the occupation of the Palestinian Territories by the state of Israel," the First Congregational Church of Old Lyme is advocating for others to follow suit.

The local church initiated a resolution, adopted by the Connecticut Conference of the United Church of Christ last week, to encourage churches to divest from companies which it characterizes as profiting in that manner.

The church also pushes for members to boycott goods "produced by Israeli companies in the Occupied Palestinian Territories" and to urge Congress to investigate whether U.S. military aid given to Israel is in violation of American laws.

By approving the resolution at its annual meeting last Friday, the Connecticut Conference becomes the fifth conference of the United Church of Christ nationwide to adopt a resolution calling for divestments, said Rev. Steven Jungkeit of the First Congregational Church. The United Church of Christ's General Synod is slated to consider the resolution this summer."
http://www.theday.com/article/20141025/NWS01/310259962

So rather than taking a stance against businesses located in Islamic slave states, that provide the death penalty by statute for the crime of "apostasy", or leaving Islam (particularly for coming to Jesus Christ), or rather than taking a stance against companies that profit in countries that provide the death penalty by statute for "blasphemy" or what we in the west recognize as speaking honestly and openly about Muhammad and Islam as as revealed through Islam's own books, they instead take a stance against companies in the only democracy in the Middle East that shares our western values, and protects the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of Israeli Jews, Israeli Christians and Israeli non-Muslim Arabs - as well as Israeli Muslims. Israeli Muslims who enjoy more freedom, liberty and rights to self-determination in Israel, than they do in any Islam controlled country - any Islamic slave-state - on earth.

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Re: Mainstream "Christian" Anti-Zionist "Churches" - Even in Israel
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2015, 05:32:18 AM »
Also unsurprisingly of the U.N., the World Council of "Churches", and certain other pro-Islamist, anti-Israel, anti-zionist, "church" institutions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PzT8vEvYPg&feature=share