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Brothers,

The Didache, in talking about the "last days" mentions:

16:43-4 "For in the last days the false prophets and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate.  For as lawlessness increases, they shall hate one another and shall persecute and betray.  And then the world-deceiver shall appear as a son of God; and shall work signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands; and he shall do unholy things, which have never been since the world began."

This passage seems to speak clearly of a man who works signs and wonders (lying signs and wonders?) after the sheep turn on one another.  From memory, it seems that the first real notable time the sheep turned into wolves (turning on those that are/were in their own flock) happened after Muhammad appeared on the scene, not before.  This does not throw into doubt a continuous historical interpretation of scripture, but do you think there is yet another man to arise (from within Islam)?

Keep in mind that, when this was written, Muhammad hadn't yet arisen.  It just seems that, if the text is hinting at a chronology of events with the word "then", then the one spoken of cannot appear until after internal strife.  If memory serves me, the first notable internal strife that resulted in "Christians" killing Christians happened sometime after Tours.

The second point I'd like to make is that this teaching is reported to be the Apostles' teaching to gentiles outside the scope of the Middle East.  So, when they mention "world-deceiver" and "the earth shall be delivered into his hands", I don't see how we could arrive at an ethnographic Middle-east interpretation of "the whole world" in early Church teachings.  Again, this does not eliminate Islam as the root, because the Leopard-Bear-Lion makes it clear where this is all coming from, but the scope may be greater than just the Middle East.

What say ye?


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Re: Extra-biblical Early Church Teachings on "Antichrist" - The Didache
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2014, 03:58:38 PM »
Brother, why did you capitalize the term "antichrist"? I set my NKJV aside when I noticed that the term was selectively capitalized, illustrating the influence of doctrine on that version. There was only upper case in the Koine Greek and thus there is no selective capitalization of that term in the KJV. There's been no shortage looking for a future end-time boogieman ever since the first century. While Preterists chalk it up to being Nero, or guesswork around some other 1st century individual, which suggests it is over and done with.

There's good reason those "extra-biblical Early Church Teachings" were not canonized. There was also no shortage of those in the 1st century, that expected Jesus' Second Coming in their day, but He didn't. Regarding your presumption, I would be pretty comfortable offering you assurance that church members have turned on their own flocks, in every century since the 1st century.
One can root around the ECFs and find traces of most any heresy one wants to believe. Like Irenaeus' association with what developed into mariology and also his alluding to a 7-year period in his future and "The" "Antichrist". However Darby's eschatological scheme isn't associated with the Christian era church until Darby.

Dr. Harry Ironside: ".....until brought to the fore through the writings and the preaching and teaching of a distinguished ex-clergyman, Mr. J. N. Darby, in the early part of the last century, it is scarcely to be found in a single book or sermon throughout a period of sixteen hundred years! If any doubt this statement, let them search, as the writer has in measure done, the remarks of the so-called Fathers, both pre- and post-Nicene; the theological treatises of the scholastic divines; Roman Catholic writers of all shades of thought; the literature of the Reformation; the sermons and expositions of the Puritans; and the general theological works of the day. He will find "the mystery" conspicuous by its absence."
http://www.christianeschatology.com/futurism_dispensationalism.htm#history_of_futurism

However the Didache is not holy writ. Let alone that the ECFs did not have nearly 2,000 years of Christian era history and fulfilled Bible prophecy to look back on. Within that history and from scripture, today we can positively identify without any speculation whatsoever, 1.5 billion antichrists in the world today as an article of their faith in THE false prophet Muhammad.

I believe the boogieman idea may have been the sort of misunderstanding that was exactly what John was trying to dispel in his historically-later 1 John verses. The following verse is sometimes believed to suggest an individual past or future "The" "Antichrist:

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Does the above verse really even make sense, if the first use of the term antichrist were supposed to be an individual person as "The" "Antichrist", when six words later we learn there are many antichrists? Unless of course the verse is saying something like "You have heard people rumor that an individual antichrist is coming, but can't you see that even now there are already many antichrists in the world?"

This is the only verse of the 4 verses that contain the term, that is generally construed to indicate a single individual as such.  Let's develop our understanding through an adjacent hermeneutic, that seems to reveal exactly how to understand this verse perfectly, by looking to the following verse that also uses the term antichrist in a singular fashion:

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

You can see the singular "that", "spirit", "it" in this sentence and singular "antichrist", just like the singular "antichrist" in 1 John 2:18. The translators gave us a little extra push in 1 John 4:3 by inserting the word [spirit] a second time, further clarifying that the spirit of antichrist is this singular entity.  As in, "ye have heard that the spirit of antichrist would come, but it's already here!" Now look at how this makes 1 John 2:18 make perfect sense if, when you get to the first use of term antichrist, you simply understand it to be a reference to THE SPIRIT OF antichrist:

John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that {the spirit of} antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

I'm not rewriting the verse, but only demonstrating how it can easily be understood, to in my opinion make far more sense than contradicting a single entity with "many" in the same breath. Finally look also at how beautifully parallel these two verse snippets are:

"ye have heard that antichrist shall come"
"ye have heard that it should come"

Poof! End time boogieman up in smoke. How can the idea of this dude even survive scripture, unless one throws hermeneutics right out the window and stuffs him into Revelation 13? Let alone it makes the historical succession of 8 kings/beasts be kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom...... boogieman.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/johns_eight_beasts.htm#maps_8_beasts

If it were not for the antagonist, we wouldn't be left with much fiction, and Hollywood would be out of business. We're all inclined to search the horizon for a boogieman to fear. What monster movie watching kid, didn't later take a flying leap into his bed, so that whatever was under it wouldn't grab his ankles? It's in our nature.

Is it beyond imagining, that the reason the enemy put the idea of an individual "The" "Antichrist" into the church, was specifically to blind it to the eventual 1.5 billion Muslim antichrists, who are today picking up the torches and pitchforks right alongside Christians, to chase after Muhammad's imagined one-eyed boogieman of some future someday?

Did the church focusing on an individual, past or future, remove the term from the Christian vocabulary and thereby deprive us from being able to casually refer to atheists and Muslims as antichrists? I can tell you from experience in witnessing them squirm, that even atheists find it a very convicting label to wear. Try an online chat with one while casually substituting the term antichrist for atheist.

How can we even doubt it was the work of the enemy, in light of such as the horrific blindness it in part produces, as in the example of interfaith pluralism that you yourself put in this forum?
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=4309.0
But just try taking their "left behind" boogieman away from futurists in a Christian forum! You may be left with the impression that they are more looking forward to his coming than that of Jesus Christ. Particularly teenage Christians.

Another reason to doubt an end-time boogieman is that Muhammad pirated the idea, and proclaimed there would be one too. Some Christians actually cite that to reinforce their belief in one, without realizing they are thereby crediting Muhammad with divinely inspired prophecy. As you know it is often pretty safe to presume the opposite when it comes to Islam!

Regarding "that man of sin" and "even him" in 2Thess, we explore that pretty thoroughly in another thread:
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=415.0

We could speculate about the future all day long, without resolution, until it is fulfilled. Whether the futurists fantasies of computer chips in hands or helicopters as locusts. This is why as some before us, I personally don't see much point in speculation about the future, particularly when we have so much fulfilled prophecy to consider now that we may well be in Daniel's "time of the end".
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/traditional_framework.htm#fulfilled_prophecy

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Re: Extra-biblical Early Church Teachings on "Antichrist" - The Didache
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2014, 07:28:30 AM »
Brothers,

The Didache, in talking about the "last days" mentions:

16:43-4 "For in the last days the false prophets and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate.  For as lawlessness increases, they shall hate one another and shall persecute and betray.

In spades during this "falling away" as you pointed out.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=4309.0
You should have seen how the betrayed in our Episcopal Church emptied out, after they confirmed Gene Robinson as Bishop. Though many were so reluctant to leave their long-time community, they remain stewing in it even today, rather than coming out of her. The ECUSA has been crashing ever since. Broken communion with the Anglican church, but even the Anglicans have discussed economic sanctions against Israel. What interfaith pluralists exhibit, who invite Islamic antichrists into their churches to hold services, is hatred for the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Hatred of the truth and love of politically correct lies, from straight out of the pit of hell, and the father of lies himself.
Even evangelicals like Rick Warren of Saddleback Church play footsie with Imams.
http://www.christianeschatology.com/falling_away_apostasy.htm#chrislam

And then the world-deceiver shall appear as a son of God; and shall work signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands;........

As you know, Muhammad wrote himself in an even greater status than the Son of God, as the final "prophet", that effectively abrogates the scriptures with the direct opposite. His name is invoked by his followers right alongside the name of the Arabian pagan's "Allah". Muhammad's followers elevate him above the God of the scriptures, and His prophets and witnesses, as Muhammad himself did.



......... and he shall do unholy things, which have never been since the world began."

Perhaps like opening its mouth in blasphemy as in: Quran Surah 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm
Bukhari B55 #607 Narrated Abu Eurasia: Allah's Apostle said, "On the night of my Ascension to Heaven, I saw (the prophet) Moses who was a thin person with lank hair, looking like one of the men of the tribe of Shanua; and I saw jesus who was of average height with red face as if he had just come out of a bathroom.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=3992.0

This passage seems to speak clearly of a man who works signs and wonders (lying signs and wonders?) after the sheep turn on one another.

Just as the lying "sign" or "miracle" of the Quran is doing during this "falling away".

"...that wrought miracles..." Some reject Muhammad as the false prophet because he did not perform a single miracle, however the Koine Greek word "semeion" translated as "miracles" and "signs", is defined in Strong's as "that by which a person is distinguished from others and is known". That makes Muhammad a perfect fit for the false prophet, since he is his known for his Quran, and has without question been distinguished from others by it for 1400 years. Muhammad's Quran is the "semeion" that he wrought before his people - Muslims - the "beast".
http://www.christianeschatology.com/historicism.htm#the_tragedy

While "even him" are helper words, I believe "whose coming is after the working of Satan" may well be a reference to Muhammad, and ignoring the helper words the "whose coming" could also be understood as a reference to his followers - the beast. Works both ways. I believe "that man of sin" and "even him" are two separate subjects.

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=415.msg5121#msg5121

Can you name a group that has less love of truth? What other group has statutes, to murder their own brethren, that come to know the love of God through a relationship with Jesus Christ? Statutes to murder their own brethren for speech.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/blasphemy_laws.htm

From memory, it seems that the first real notable time the sheep turned into wolves (turning on those that are/were in their own flock) happened after Muhammad appeared on the scene, not before.  This does not throw into doubt a continuous historical interpretation of scripture, but do you think there is yet another man to arise (from within Islam)?

What future man could be more successfully and deceptively antichrist than Muhammad? Are you beginning to see the risk in reading ECFs as if their words were holy writ?

Keep in mind that, when this was written, Muhammad hadn't yet arisen.  It just seems that, if the text is hinting at a chronology of events with the word "then", then the one spoken of cannot appear until after internal strife.

Some translations read "lawless ONE", but the ONE is a not-so "helper" word, that does not occur in the Koine Greek. Just as Muslims are "lawless".
I'd say half the church having to believe the other half to be virtually 100% in error regarding their interpretation of the figurative language of prophecy qualifies. Particularly when this splits opinion regarding the restoration of Jews to their land.
http://www.zionismchristian.com/anti_zionism.htm#anti_zionists

Internal strife is whoring a church out to Muslim prayer like was done in the "Washington National Cathedral" in D.C., and the other stark raving blind interfaith pluralist antics, of those who do not understand that Islam prohibits Muslims from even making friends with Christians and Jews except to pretend it to gain strategic advantage over us. Other churches more concerned with their "carbon footprint" than they are preaching the Gospel.
http://www.christianeschatology.com/falling_away_apostasy.htm

If memory serves me, the first notable internal strife that resulted in "Christians" killing Christians happened sometime after Tours.

The second point I'd like to make is that this teaching is reported to be the Apostles' teaching to gentiles outside the scope of the Middle East.  So, when they mention "world-deceiver" and "the earth shall be delivered into his hands", I don't see how we could arrive at an ethnographic Middle-east interpretation of "the whole world" in early Church teachings.

Maybe it's because you're not trying to see the world as the ECFs saw it in their day, and thus how scholars continue to see it through an ethnographic hermeneutic, today:

world
New Testament Greek Definition:
3625 oikoumene {oy-kou-men'-ay}
feminine participle present passive of 3611 (as noun, by
implication of 1093); TDNT - 5:157,674; n f
AV - world 14, earth 1; 15
1) the inhabited earth
1a) the portion of the earth inhabited by the Greeks, in
distinction from the lands of the barbarians

1b) the Roman empire, all the subjects of the empire
1c) the whole inhabited earth, the world
1d) the inhabitants of the earth, men
2) the universe, the world



Again, this does not eliminate Islam as the root, because the Leopard-Bear-Lion makes it clear where this is all coming from, but the scope may be greater than just the Middle East.

What say ye?

Perhaps greater to the extent that it is broader, but still related to what's going on in the Middle East, as in the CFR/Club of Rome.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/scarlet_beast.htm#160

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Re: Extra-biblical Early Church Teachings on "Antichrist" - The Didache
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2014, 06:48:08 AM »
Brothers,

The Didache, in talking about the "last days" mentions:

16:43-4 "For in the last days the false prophets and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate. For as lawlessness increases, they shall hate one another and shall persecute and betray."
 

Consider the "love" demonstrated in shouting protests by angry pro-"Palestinian" (effectively pro-Islamic conquest of Israel) "Christian" anti-zionists.

Re PC(USA): "The denomination has been hijacked by people who have it in for Jews and their homeland. When it comes to promoting peace and human rights, PC(USA) peacemakers have Jews on the brain.
Just how bad is it? A Presbyterian report prepared by the denomination’s peacemakers – and sold on the denomination’s website - has gotten glowing reviews from both David Duke and Iran’s PressTV."
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/02/13/presbyterian-anti-zionists-are-destroying-their-church-by-attacking-israel/

"Occasionally, traditional churches that feel threatened by evangelism work with Muslims to carry out persecution against those who evangelize."
http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51 "

I searched that and only found our forum, and Persecution likely edits their pages frequently to keep abreast of changing national situations, so I shortened it and searched without quotes and found such as:

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Posted in 2011 in the comments at the following link from Persecution.org
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/03/malaysia-christians-protest-policies-that-treat-distribution-of-bibles-as-if-they-were-controlled-su/comment-page-0#comment-770316

Quoted directly from western evangelical website on persecution

(you have to click on syria in the map to get to its profile when you reach the website)

http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51

“Syria is a secular state, but Islam is recognized as the religion of the majority. The constitution provides some religious
freedom. Thousands of Lebanese Christians sought refuge in Syria when war raged between Israel and Hezbollah terrorists in the summer of 2006, and many have stayed. Syria is also home to the largest number of Iraqi refugees ” more than 1 million. Some refugees, including converts to Christianity, have experienced persecution in Syria.

Category: Restricted Nation
Religion: Muslim 90.32%, Christian 5.12%
Ideology: Islam
Head of State: President Bashar al-Asad

Traditional Christian minority groups experience relative freedom within the larger Islamic society. However, Christian evangelism is not welcome, and missionaries are not allowed in the country. The government closely monitors all activities deemed a threat to communal harmony, so most churches in Syria are hesitant to evangelize Muslims. The government is curious about those who convert from Islam to Christianity, but so far it has not tried to hinder conversions or harass converts. The biggest persecutors of converts from Islam are members of the traditional churches, who feel threatened by evangelism.

Your quote of ECF continues:

"And then the world-deceiver shall appear as a son of God; and shall work signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands; and he shall do unholy things, which have never been since the world began."

Doesn't that idea come from 2Thess?
Do they also stick "him" into Revelation 13?

And worshiping a golden calf and such certainly qualifies as doing "unholy things", but was even that as bad, as proclaiming and worshiping the exact opposite of that revealed through the scriptures? A "religion" based on what NOT to believe? Based on DISbelieving the crucifixion and thus REJECTING the shed blood of the Lamb of God, and DENYING and blaspheming the Son of God?
What could more aptly describe the epitome of "wicked" and "lawlessness"?

Talk about love being turned into hate. Beheading children for not renouncing Jesus Christ?!

While "even him" are helper words, I believe "whose coming is after the working of Satan" may well be a reference to Muhammad, and ignoring the helper words the "whose coming" could also be understood as a reference to his followers - the beast. Works both ways. I believe "that man of sin" and "even him" are two separate subjects.

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
http://www.brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=415.msg5121#msg5121

Surprisingly, Darby is the only translation available at BLB that left the helper words out:

2Th 2:9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and signs and wonders of falsehood,

Let's consider at the KJV without the helper words:

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

It seems the reason the translators tried to be of help is because they were carrying forward "that man of sin" theme, but I doubt it's appropriate since "And then" would seem to start a description of the next phase. As in, "and then after the great apostasy of the church has been in full swing and that man of sin has been revealed in the church (beginning with the "holy rollers"?).....".
Particularly since "that man of sin" was already revealed and discussed in the prior part of the passage, so it wouldn't be "revealed" after it already was discussed, would it?
Does this section otherwise suggest an individual, without the "even him", that does not occur in the Koine Greek? As of this writing I am persuaded the "whose coming" is a reference to the false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom beast's coming, and not likely to Muhammad's coming. A reference to Muslims.

Remember that Greek word "semeion" translates as "signs" and elsewhere as "wrought miracles before" the "beast".
http://www.christianeschatology.com/historicism.htm#the_tragedy

The false prophet Muhammad's Quran is a perfect fit for the "miracle" or "sign" that was wrought. And "wonder" as "portent" or "something so strange as to cause it to be "watched" or "observed"".

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4592&t=KJV
sēmeion
1. a sign, mark, token
       A. that by which a person or a thing is distinguished from others and is known
       B. a sign, prodigy, portent, i.e. an unusual occurrence, transcending the common course of nature
           I. of signs portending remarkable events soon to happen
           II. of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God's

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Re: Extra-biblical Early Church Teachings on "Antichrist" - The Didache
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2016, 05:31:02 PM »
Pete's fabrication...

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I believe the boogieman idea may have been the sort of misunderstanding that was exactly what John was trying to dispel in his historically-later 1 John verses. The following verse is sometimes believed to suggest an individual past or future "The" "Antichrist:

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Does the above verse really even make sense, if the first use of the term antichrist were supposed to be an individual person as "The" "Antichrist", when six words later we learn there are many antichrists? Unless of course the verse is saying something like "You have heard people rumor that an individual antichrist is coming, but can't you see that even now there are already many antichrists in the world?"

This is the only verse of the 4 verses that contain the term, that is generally construed to indicate a single individual as such.  Let's develop our understanding through an adjacent hermeneutic, that seems to reveal exactly how to understand this verse perfectly, by looking to the following verse that also uses the term antichrist in a singular fashion:

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

You can see the singular "that", "spirit", "it" in this sentence and singular "antichrist", just like the singular "antichrist" in 1 John 2:18. The translators gave us a little extra push in 1 John 4:3 by inserting the word [spirit] a second time, further clarifying that the spirit of antichrist is this singular entity.  As in, "ye have heard that the spirit of antichrist would come, but it's already here!" Now look at how this makes 1 John 2:18 make perfect sense if, when you get to the first use of term antichrist, you simply understand it to be a reference to THE SPIRIT OF antichrist:

John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that {the spirit of} antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

I'm not rewriting the verse, but only demonstrating how it can easily be understood, to in my opinion make far more sense than contradicting a single entity with "many" in the same breath. Finally look also at how beautifully parallel these two verse snippets are:

"ye have heard that antichrist shall come"
"ye have heard that it should come"

Poof! End time boogieman up in smoke. How can the idea of this dude even survive scripture, unless one throws hermeneutics right out the window and stuffs him into Revelation 13? Let alone it makes the historical succession of 8 kings/beasts be kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom...... boogieman.


1 John 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

There are some who think 'antichrist' always indicates a plurality of persons, and some who believe anti-Christ always refers to a 'spirit.' That leads them to believe that there's no such thing as one man emerging in the last days.  They tell us that the end-time 'anti-Christ' is a 'spirit' and NOT an individual, but they aren't paying attention to the verse.

The definition of anti-Christ in the epistles of John, represents anything or 'anybody' that is an adversary of the Messiah, "since the time of Christ." 1st and 2nd John shows us what anti-Christ IS and the state of a person who is an adversary of Christ the Messiah. The anti-Christ is the man of sin or the lawless one. He IS one individual since there are several times personal pronouns are used to describe him. We call the 'end-time' man of sin THE anti-Christ in Christian literature because that word does describe him well.

This verse has one word for antichrist that is singular, the other plural, and wasn't translated correctly in the KJV.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that (THE) antichrist (singular) shall come, even now are there many antichrists; (plural) whereby we know that it is the last time.

The verse actually reads in the Greek interlinear like this...

Little boys and girls, it is the last hour and according as ye hear that THE "instead-anointed" (antichrist) is coming and now many instead anointeds have become.....
Pete!  You have fabricated 'the spirit of' into the text! No such thing exist in this passage!  And you have the nerve to call it a hermeneutic.

So take a close look at it and you should see that one word for anti-Christ is singular and referred to as THE antichrist, and the other is word for anti-Christ is plural. I shouldn't have to explain any more. Take a look if you don't believe me.

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineI...NTpdf/1jo2.pdf

Over a dozen bible translations use the word 'the' in the translation of 1 John 2:18. The ones that omit it do so mistakenly.  What appears to be a contradiction in the interlinear and literal translations really is not. The word 'THE' was omitted and not added which is usually the case with the interlinear. We have to have a balanced view of this and understand that as simple as dropping the word 'THE' usually isn't something that changes the correct interpretation very much. In this case with this argument it does. In every aspect I study this, I never walk away believing this to be ONLY a plurality of persons. One word is singular and implies ONE antichrist man coming in the future, especially when personal pronouns are used to describe him elsewhere.
Other than the future 'anti-Christ,' what is anti-Christ?  The scriptures are simple.  Anyone who denies Christ.

1 John 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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Re: Extra-biblical Early Church Teachings on "Antichrist" - The Didache
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2017, 06:42:04 AM »
Pete's fabrication...

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I believe the boogieman idea may have been the sort of misunderstanding that was exactly what John was trying to dispel in his historically-later 1 John verses. The following verse is sometimes believed to suggest an individual past or future "The" "Antichrist:

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Does the above verse really even make sense, if the first use of the term antichrist were supposed to be an individual person as "The" "Antichrist", when six words later we learn there are many antichrists? Unless of course the verse is saying something like "You have heard people rumor that an individual antichrist is coming, but can't you see that even now there are already many antichrists in the world?"

This is the only verse of the 4 verses that contain the term, that is generally construed to indicate a single individual as such.  Let's develop our understanding through an adjacent hermeneutic, that seems to reveal exactly how to understand this verse perfectly, by looking to the following verse that also uses the term antichrist in a singular fashion:

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

You can see the singular "that", "spirit", "it" in this sentence and singular "antichrist", just like the singular "antichrist" in 1 John 2:18. The translators gave us a little extra push in 1 John 4:3 by inserting the word [spirit] a second time, further clarifying that the spirit of antichrist is this singular entity.  As in, "ye have heard that the spirit of antichrist would come, but it's already here!" Now look at how this makes 1 John 2:18 make perfect sense if, when you get to the first use of term antichrist, you simply understand it to be a reference to THE SPIRIT OF antichrist:

John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that {the spirit of} antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

I'm not rewriting the verse, but only demonstrating how it can easily be understood, to in my opinion make far more sense than contradicting a single entity with "many" in the same breath. Finally look also at how beautifully parallel these two verse snippets are:

"ye have heard that antichrist shall come"
"ye have heard that it should come"

Poof! End time boogieman up in smoke. How can the idea of this dude even survive scripture, unless one throws hermeneutics right out the window and stuffs him into Revelation 13? Let alone it makes the historical succession of 8 kings/beasts be kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom...... boogieman.


1 John 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

There are some who think 'antichrist' always indicates a plurality of persons, and some who believe anti-Christ always refers to a 'spirit.'

Why quote if you are going to set up a strawman instead.

That leads them to believe that there's no such thing as one man emerging in the last days.

No, as the quoted points out, it is the scriptures through hermeneutics that lead to that conclusion.

They tell us that the end-time 'anti-Christ' is a 'spirit' and NOT an individual, but they aren't paying attention to the verse.

The definition of anti-Christ in the epistles of John, represents anything or 'anybody' that is an adversary of the Messiah, "since the time of Christ." 1st and 2nd John shows us what anti-Christ IS and the state of a person who is an adversary of Christ the Messiah. The anti-Christ is the man of sin or the lawless one. He IS one individual since there are several times personal pronouns are used to describe him. We call the 'end-time' man of sin THE anti-Christ in Christian literature because that word does describe him well.

This verse has one word for antichrist that is singular, the other plural, and wasn't translated correctly in the KJV.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that (THE) antichrist (singular) shall come, even now are there many antichrists; (plural) whereby we know that it is the last time.

The verse actually reads in the Greek interlinear like this...

Little boys and girls, it is the last hour and according as ye hear that THE "instead-anointed" (antichrist) is coming and now many instead anointeds have become.....
Pete!  You have fabricated 'the spirit of' into the text! No such thing exist in this passage!  And you have the nerve to call it a hermeneutic.

So take a close look at it and you should see that one word for anti-Christ is singular and referred to as THE antichrist, and the other is word for anti-Christ is plural. I shouldn't have to explain any more. Take a look if you don't believe me.

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineI...NTpdf/1jo2.pdf

Over a dozen bible translations use the word 'the' in the translation of 1 John 2:18. The ones that omit it do so mistakenly.  What appears to be a contradiction in the interlinear and literal translations really is not. The word 'THE' was omitted and not added which is usually the case with the interlinear. We have to have a balanced view of this and understand that as simple as dropping the word 'THE' usually isn't something that changes the correct interpretation very much. In this case with this argument it does. In every aspect I study this, I never walk away believing this to be ONLY a plurality of persons. One word is singular and implies ONE antichrist man coming in the future, especially when personal pronouns are used to describe him elsewhere.
Other than the future 'anti-Christ,' what is anti-Christ?  The scriptures are simple.  Anyone who denies Christ.

1 John 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.