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naliakbar video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpgRIGRbF8s&watch_response
Regarding a suggestion that my taking the verse from the Hadith: Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh servant of Allah, oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!

Out of context, there is no justifiable context for this verse at any time in the Christian era. It makes obvious that Islam teaches the opposite of God's will. Not to mention the bigotry. You may be the first Muslim that even hinted that he is not anti-Jew, in all my exchanges with Muslims.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

See the difference?

But pretending this is limited to the 7th century ignores the history of Islamic slaughter of Jews and Christians.

Click on this YouTube search of - hitler mufti jerusalem -
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hitler+mufti+jerusalem&search_type=&aq=f

Here's an example of Islam being involved in the WW2 genocide up to it's eyeballs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d51poygEXYU

3 year old calls Jews apes and pigs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbHVEGnYD8&feature=PlayList&p=35BFE352BFD7FD9B&index=2

Islam Seeds of Hatred - Modern equivalent of Hitler youth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_xHQ3lX9GE&feature=PlayList&p=B35DFF5C160F006B&index=0

Obsession - 10 video series
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B6F220E8504B9892


Mohammed Terror and Poets regards Mohammed's murder of those who spoke against him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JSMnCxPsbM&feature=PlayList&p=35BFE352BFD7FD9B&index=1
This is an excellent series of videos. Lots of topics with good handle on history of Mohammed and Islam taken from the Quran and Hadith:
http://www.youtube.com/user/AhmadsQuran3
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Out of context, there is no justifiable context for this verse at any time in the Christian era. It makes obvious that Islam teaches the opposite of God's will. Not to mention the bigotry. You may be the first Muslim that even hinted that he is not anti-Jew, in all my exchanges with Muslims.
You were able to get the quote go and read the complete context of it and you will find that the talking rocks telling where the jew is hiding is specifically for the end time prophecy.  And the main groups will be the anti Christ and his army of jews, and jesus and his army of muslims.  So go back to where you got the quote from in the original source and read it carefully.  It is specifically in the end time battle.  As for my love for jews, I love them and respect them they are my elder brothers in faith, I do believe they deny the messiah falsely which makes them deny Muhammad as well.  I think you have misunderstood the muslims you spoke to, muslims do not hate JEWS what they hate is ZIONISTS who happen to be mainly jews.  And unfortunately people generalize, just like you did with muslims and the comments.  Every muslim if they are true muslims feel the pain of the Palestinians, so because of this when you are upset you talk in general terms which is wrong but we are human so take that up with god.  So just so this never comes up again, muslims don't hate jews, we hate Zionists..
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Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

See the difference?

Yes I see the difference, but what is sura 8 talking about, it is talking about when I a battle, as for matthew, you know full well that as Christians you would not be here today if you followed this, your very life here today depended on someone killing for your sake.  You appreciate what you have why do you forget what was given for you to have it.  Islam is complete in the matters of disputes, first you try to be diplomatic if that does not work then you fight for peace.  And as I said in my video this is talking about in a battle, can you imagine that the American Christian army goes into battle in iraq and instead of fighting go and give tea to the enemy? That is stupid advice if you are fighting for peace (of course I believe the war in iraq was based on a lie and for that bush should be impeached but that is just me)
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But pretending this is limited to the 7th century ignores the history of Islamic slaughter of Jews and Christians.
You misunderstand me, I know we killed some jews and Christians there is no doubt, but jews and Christians also killed muslims, even today they are, look at the state of iraq, there was peace in that country prior to the invasion of the Christian nations, you have Christians fighting in helicopter and muslims fighting on foot, and still the msulims are being called cowards ok that is off topic and I promised I would keep myself out of politics.  My point is that for a time jews fled to muslim lands and preferred to be ruled by muslims because Christians were killing them for killing their god, so don't forget the entire history.
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Here's an example of Islam being involved in the WW2 genocide up to it's eyeballs:
I have no problem with muslims being involved there, do you kown why? Because England had their hands in muslim lands, so why not be involved in the side that will potentially get your enemy out of your lands?

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3 year old calls Jews apes and pigs:
So what? Her perents didn't teach her what is right or they themselves were not taught what was right, you cant sit here and tell me that you don't think what the Zionist jews are doing is completely right.  The fled a genocide in germany and now they are commiting acts of genocide on Palestinians (Christian, muslim and jew palestininas)  if you are ok with this you really need to check your conditioning.

As for the other videos the title were not enough for me to make a comment and I don't have the time at this point to watch them.
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Out of context, there is no justifiable context for this verse at any time in the Christian era. It makes obvious that Islam teaches the opposite of God's will. Not to mention the bigotry. You may be the first Muslim that even hinted that he is not anti-Jew, in all my exchanges with Muslims.
You were able to get the quote go and read the complete context of it and you will find that the talking rocks telling where the jew is hiding is specifically for the end time prophecy.  And the main groups will be the anti Christ and his army of jews, and jesus and his army of muslims.  So go back to where you got the quote from in the original source and read it carefully.  It is specifically in the end time battle.  As for my love for jews, I love them and respect them they are my elder brothers in faith, I do believe they deny the messiah falsely which makes them deny Muhammad as well.  I think you have misunderstood the muslims you spoke to, muslims do not hate JEWS what they hate is ZIONISTS who happen to be mainly jews.  And unfortunately people generalize, just like you did with muslims and the comments.  Every muslim if they are true muslims feel the pain of the Palestinians, so because of this when you are upset you talk in general terms which is wrong but we are human so take that up with god.  So just so this never comes up again, muslims don't hate jews, we hate Zionists..

You apparently missed the YouTubes. How does a 3 year old come to hate Jews?

God is a Zionist:
Genesis 17:8  And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

The restoration of the Jews to their city began almost 2 centuries ago WHEN VIRTUALLY NOBODY WANTED THE LAND.

"A History of the Jews" - Paul Johnson - page 321:  "Between 1827 and 1839, largely through British efforts, the population of Jerusalem rose from 550 to 5,500 and in all Palestine it topped 10,000 - the real beginning of the Jewish return to the Promised Land. In 1838 Palmerston appointed the first western vice-consul in Jerusalem, W.T. Young, and told him 'to afford protection to the Jews generally'."

Arab population grew alongside Jewish population as they were employed by the Jews, and are unto today.
It's the Arabs - including government leaders - that have determined to murder all the Jews and "drive them into the sea". Surely that's not news to you.


What you are doing is hating a people, because they happen to live in the land that God gave them, in an everlasting covenant. Additionally Muslims enjoy more freedom in Israel than they do in any Arab Muslim country in the middle east.
The Jews have truly been a blessing on mankind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWnK6eFwROY

500 years before Christ was ever born, Daniel prophesied the restoration of the Jews to their land in 1948, and to their city, in 1967, right to the year.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdi8PzPWrb8


But then your view and today's circumstances and the fate of those that come against Jerusalem was prophesied long ago:

Zechariah 12:3  And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Zechariah 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbHVEGnYD8&feature=PlayList&p=35BFE352BFD7FD9B&index=2

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Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

See the difference?

Yes I see the difference, but what is sura 8 talking about, it is talking about when I a battle, as for matthew, you know full well that as Christians you would not be here today if you followed this, your very life here today depended on someone killing for your sake.
Not so. Observing God's love through us is why Christianity has survived to this day. That's why we see the Islamic genocidal slaughter in the Sudan and Nigeria and much of Africa.
Because Christians don't fight back.
This manifestation of God's love through peace is why the statistics of Muslim conversion in Africa are so stunning. According to Zecharias Bustos about half of the pastors in Africa today are former Islamic imams. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYI5t3JhfJs
You appreciate what you have why do you forget what was given for you to have it.  Islam is complete in the matters of disputes, first you try to be diplomatic if that does not work then you fight for peace.
Islam has always been interested in imperialistsic conquest. The Islamic First Jihad up into France. There is a reason Islam wants to claim the kingdoms of this world.
The are satan's legal property ever since Adam's fall.

You are probably aware that he even offered them to Jesus. Jesus didn't take the bait, but He never contested Satan't ownership. Islam is of Satan. Even your heaven is rivers of wine and virgins. All about the flesh. Just like you seem to think you will find God with your head.
 And as I said in my video this is talking about in a battle, can you imagine that the American Christian army
If you are going to be dishonest it will make things difficult. While the U.S. was founded on God, God has been removed from our state.
goes into battle in iraq and instead of fighting go and give tea to the enemy? That is stupid advice if you are fighting for peace (of course I believe the war in iraq was based on a lie and for that bush should be impeached but that is just me)
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But pretending this is limited to the 7th century ignores the history of Islamic slaughter of Jews and Christians.
You misunderstand me, I know we killed some jews and Christians there is no doubt, but jews and Christians also killed muslims,
Who? Hitler? the Catholic Church? The Papacy also killed millions of Christians.
BASED ON THE VERSES ABOVE, what does that tell you about them?
You didn't see. The one of Islam demands violence but the God of the Christians demands the exact opposite. Peace and love for our fellow men. IT'S ABOUT WHAT THE BOOKS SAY. You are suggesting that simply because men call themselves Christian they are. But this simply isn't so. IT'S ABOUT WHAT THE BOOKS DEMAND OF US.
The one of islam is of bloody imperialistic conquest. The God of the bible is about love and peace. HE IS LOVE.
even today they are, look at the state of iraq, there was peace in that country
Sure. Sadam mass murder of Kurds, Iran Iraq war, please. Iraq invaded Kuwait. The U.S. came to their defense.
prior to the invasion of the Christian nations, you have Christians fighting in helicopter and muslims fighting on foot, and still the msulims are being called cowards ok that is off topic and I promised I would keep myself out of politics.
It would be wise for us to stick to the subject at hand which is the incompatibility of Islam with Christianity. On a final note, you DO understand the difference between the pillage, and plunder of imperialistic Islamic conquest, and rushing to a person who can't defend themselves, don't you?
Think about a guy that has your next door neighbor by the hair and is beating her in the face with a 2X4. Is it a Christian obligation to sit back and suggest it is between them, or come to the defense of the defenseless?
 My point is that for a time jews fled to muslim lands and preferred to be ruled by muslims because Christians were killing them for killing their god,
Imperialistic conquest has never been done by Christians, as the verses above clearly would convict them for that. You will not likely see a Catholic come into this forum to defend catholicism. Even less likely the Crusades.
so don't forget the entire history.
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Here's an example of Islam being involved in the WW2 genocide up to it's eyeballs:
I have no problem with muslims being involved there, do you kown why? Because England had their hands in muslim lands, so why not be involved in the side that will potentially get your enemy out of your lands?

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3 year old calls Jews apes and pigs:
So what? Her perents didn�t teach her what is right or they themselves were not taught what was right, you cant sit here and tell me that you don�t think what the Zionist jews are doing is completely right.
I have to depend on God's Word, as detailed in prior post.
The fled a genocide in germany and now they are commiting acts of genocide on Palestinians (Christian, muslim and jew palestininas)  if you are ok with this you really need to check your conditioning.
Thousands of random rockets pour into Israel every year. You are blinded by al Jazera and the U.S. media. Did you ever even see a single Isralei news source to compare?
If you think it's about Zionism, rather than SATAN, then how do you explain the Sudan and Nigeria? ZIONISM IS THE ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST STRAW MAN TO PRETEND TO EXCUSE AWAY WAR WAGED WAR AGAINST THE NON-ISLAMIC WORLD. What they have to do with is the dar el saalam and the dar el harb. Those in the house of war may not be at war against Islam, but Islam has been at war against them for 1400 years.

What did these girls have to do with Zionism?.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm
In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and their heads left on the steps of a Church.  The note left behind reads:  "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."

Or these ladies?
"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."


As for the other videos the title were not enough for me to make a comment and I don�t have the time at this point to watch them.

They simply illustrate the anti-Jew sentiments throughout Islamic history.
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