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Mohammed and Aisha
« on: October 15, 2009, 08:09:30 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psznHJCFZ9c

Aisha was 6 when Mohammed married her, and 9 years old, when 53 year old Mohammed had sex with her.

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From Prophet of Doom chapter 13 part 1
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_13_The_Pedophile_Pirate.Islam
Audio version
http://prophetofdoom.net/audio/Prophet_of_Doom_13_The_Pedophile_Pirate.mp3

Chairman Muhammad settled into his public housing project and immediately began to act like the fool he had become. Ishaq:235 "In the year of the Prophet's arrival, Abu Umamah died from a rattling in the throat. The Messenger said, 'His death is an evil thing for the Jews and the Arab Hypocrites for they are sure to say, "If Muhammad were really a prophet his companion would not have died." But truly, I have no power with Allah either for myself or for my companions.'" Truer words were never spoken.

Muhammad had no morals either. Tabari VII:7 "The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six." Ishaq:281 "When the Apostle came to Medina he was fifty-three." Tabari VII:6 "In May, 623 A.D./A.H. 1, Allah’s Messenger consummated his marriage to Aisha." He would be dead in ten years; she hadn't lived that long. Pedophilia was, and continues to be, child abuse. The abused had come full circle; he was now an abuser.

Accusing a prophet of being a pedophile sounds outrageous. Yet the evidence is undeniable: Tabari IX:128 "When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation." This is how it happened: Tabari IX:131 "My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old." Given a choice, I believe most people would prefer to get their spiritual inspiration from someone who wasn't a sexual predator.

Muhammad struggled to justify his behavior. Bukhari:V9B86N98 "The Prophet said, 'A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.' 'O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent.' He said, 'By remaining silent.'" Bukhari:V9B87N139-40 "Allah’s Apostle told Aisha, 'You were shown to me twice in my dreams [a.k.a. sexual fantasies]. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, "She is yours, so uncover her." And behold, it was you. I would then say to myself, "If this is from Allah, then it must happen."'" Allah not only approved pedophilia, he insisted upon it. That makes the Islamic god as perverted as his prophet.

Since fifty-three-year-old pedophiles are not prophet material, I want to give Islam every possible opportunity to clear this up. The next Hadith is from Aisha. Tabari VII:7 "There are special features in me that have not been in any woman except for what Allah bestowed on Maryam bt. Imran [She was referring to Mary, the mother of Jesus, although she didn't know her name or her father's name, and none of the "features" applied]. I do not say this to exalt myself over any of my companions.' 'What are these.' someone asked. Aisha replied, 'The angel brought down my likeness [she was a babe]; the Messenger married me when I was seven; my marriage was consummated when I was nine [she was abused]; he married me when I was a virgin, no other man having shared me with him [she was a child]; inspiration came to him when he and I were in a single blanket [she "inspired" him]; I was one of the dearest people to him; a verse of the Qur'an was revealed concerning me when the community was almost destroyed [she inspired Allah]; and I saw Gabriel when none of his other wives saw him [she lied].'" Think about the implications of what she just said. Muhammad was "inspired" - a Qur'an surah was handed down while the prophet was having sex with a little girl. Allah didn't find pedophilia the least bit troubling.

The following confirms that the first Muslims were consumed by greed, the prophet was inspired by the body of a child, and the circumstances surrounding Qur'an revelations were as perverted as the scripture itself. Bukhari:V5B57N119 "The people used to send presents to the Prophet on the day of Aisha's turn [to have sex with him]. Aisha said, 'His other wives gathered in the apartment of Um Salama [wife number two] and said, "Um, the people send presents on the day of Aisha's turn and we too, love the good presents just as much as she does. You should tell Allah’s Apostle to order the people to send their presents to him regardless of whose turn it may be." Um repeated that to the Prophet and he turned away from her. When the Prophet returned to Um, she repeated the request again. The Prophet again turned away. After the third time, the Prophet said, "Um, don't trouble me by harming Aisha, for by Allah, the Divine Inspiration [Qur'an surahs] never came to me while I was under the blanket of any woman among you except her."'" If there have been any skeptics who have made it this far without acknowledging that the Qur'an was inspired to satisfy Muhammad’s cravings, rather than to save men's souls, welcome to the realm of reason.

Earlier, I accused the victim of pedophilia of lying. I want to explain why. Her eighth divine gift was contradicted during one of the bedroom revelations. Bukhari:V4B54N440 "The Prophet said, 'Aisha, this is Gabriel. He sends his greetings and salutations.' Aisha said, 'Salutations and greetings to him, and Allah’s Blessings.' Addressing the Prophet she said, 'You see what I don't see.'"

This Hadith reveals how perverted Muhammad was and how sane other Arabs were by contrast. Bukhari:V4B52N211 "I participated in a Ghazwa [raid] with the Prophet. I said, 'Apostle, I am a bridegroom.' He asked me whether I had married a virgin or matron. I answered, 'A matron.' He said, 'Why not a virgin who would have played with you? Then you could have played with her.' 'Apostle! My father was martyred and I have some young sisters, so I felt it not proper that I should marry a young girl as young as them.'" It’s obvious who corrupted whom.

Muhammad’s behavior would be considered criminal in every civilized nation on earth. No moral society has ever condoned old men having sex with young children. If you are caught, you're locked up, separated from decent people. Pedophilia is so heinous, convicted felons torment child abusers - even they can't stand to be in their presence.

Such a grotesque act disqualified Muhammad from his alleged calling. What's more, his personal perversity had a lasting legacy. Muslims follow his example. While most of what happens in the Islamic world escapes our purview, as Islam is hostile to all freedoms, including press and inquiry, we have gained glimpses in Afghanistan and Iraq. There, virginal young girls are frequently raped by Muslim men. And as you would expect in a culture influenced by Muhammad, the victims are shamed, not the perpetrators.

It is little wonder Muhammad’s contemporaries called him "mad," "insane," and "demon possessed." It is little wonder Islamic clerics try so hard to hide this stuff from the world. It is why Muhammad assassinated a score of poets, the journalists of their day, who had the courage to expose him. It is why Muslim rulers issue fatwas today.

Decadent egomaniacs like Muhammad are deeply troubled and tortured souls. Their insecurities drive unbridled lusts for power, sex, and money. Their feelings of inadequacy cause them to be shy, yet their outward manner overcompensates making them abusive and purposely deceptive. They need others to bow down to them in submission, and they require unquestioned obedience. Muhammad was a textbook case (as was Adolf Hitler, his modern twin). Bukhari:V4B56N762 "The Prophet was shier than a veined virgin girl." Bukhari:V9B89N251 "Allah’s Apostle said, 'Whoever obeys me, obeys Allah, and whoever disobeys me, disobeys Allah, and whoever obeys the ruler I appoint, obeys me, and whoever disobeys him, disobeys me.'" Pedophilia, incest, and rape are all perverted manifestations of a thirst for power and control. Insecurity is the cause.

I apologize for dragging you through this muck. I realize the material we just covered would be illegal, even in a pornographic movie. And we are not done. We have yet to deal with the prophet's other depravities: incest and rape. But at least you now know why this control freak's paradise was a brothel filled with ever-attentive young virgins ready to be conquered.

Muhammad, like his religion, was fixated on the flesh. According to the Qur'an, bodies were reassembled so that skin could be singed in hell and teased in paradise. Man's spirit was incidental. I believe this is because the religion was made in the prophet's image. It reflected his character and desires.

To appreciate Islam’s elevation of body over soul, we must look at the source of his inspiration. Muhammad was right when he described the angel that visited him as a slave. Bukhari:V4B54N455 "So (Allah) conveyed the Inspiration to His slave (Gabriel) and then he (Gabriel) conveyed (it to Muhammad)." Angels, fallen or heavenly, demonic or godly, have no choice. To borrow another line from Islam, "They must submit and obey." Islam’s dark spirit knew all about angelic submission, because he once was one: Qur'an 7:11 "It is We who created you and gave you shape; then We ordered the angels to fall and prostrate themselves to Adam."

The same passage goes on to correctly implicate Satan and suggest angels are eternal. Qur'an 7:19 "Satan...said: 'Your Lord only forbid you this tree, lest you should become angels, immortal, living forever.'"

Satan, like all angels, is a four-dimensional construct. That is to say, he can maneuver in time - the fourth dimension. While this may sound complex, we have known since Einstein that space has a fourth axis, an infinite aspect that we cannot yet navigate. In this regard, angels are superior to men as we are trapped in three-dimensional bodies, stuck in time. Yahweh is not, which is why his name means "I Am," or "I Exist." He is immortal and timeless; his infinity exists in the fourth dimension. This explains how Yahweh predicts the future. He knows the future not because he has ordained it but because he has already been there and witnessed the culmination of our choices.

Now, put yourself in Lucifer's wings for a moment. He knows that his spirit is inferior to ours for two reasons. We are made spiritually in God’s image. And we have choice. With choice we have the capacity to be creative and to love. This is why God created us. These attributes remain his and our most powerful qualities. So Lucifer doesn't want to compete with us spiritually. He can't win.

But when he competes bodily, he can't lose. We are three-dimensional - he is four. The difference is infinite, just as it is between two- and three-axis realms. The comparison is like a cartoon rendering of Mickey Mouse competing with Walt Disney - or more accurately, with Walt's secretary. This is why Islam is focused on the body. It’s why the covetous Muhammad was the perfect Satanic prophet.

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Re: Mohammed and Aisha
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2009, 03:37:10 PM »
It seems that western love to use they stoy mohamed (PBUH) and Aisha as excuse


Watch this video :

part one


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEwmfIgSQQU

part two


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4yyx1qDWhQ



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Re: Mohammed and Aisha
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2009, 07:20:05 AM »
It seems that western love to use they stoy mohamed (PBUH) and Aisha as excuse

As an excuse for what? Mohammed did Aisha as a 9 year old child who was still playing with dolls, which meant that she had not yet reached puberty.
We simply point it out to further highlight the reprobate nature of your false prophet.

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Re: Mohammed and Aisha
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2009, 12:13:46 PM »
it was comon between arabs to marry at early age not mohamed (BPUH) . what about you sexual bible god's word haha funny i am sure that didn't wrote this it was man's word .

about false prophet , jews were waiting for prophet after Messaih (PBUH) .

Saul(pual )  was false apostle  .

Now, look at what was said to the church that we know Paul had been involved in... Ephesus. Among the things that Yahshua commended the Ephesian church for doing right, is this quote:

    "I know your works, your labor, and your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars." Rev. 2:2

Yes. I have no doubts Yahshua was referring to Paul and his companions, and that his claim of apostleship, as well as his doctrine, were false!  Hang in there and consider all the facts with me for a minute. Here are four of them... with the silver bullet coming shortly after.   

    1.  Paul's doctrine on the foreknowledge of God is not only groundless (because he had to abuse Scripture to support it), it is blasphemous,
         because it outright accuses God of unrighteousness. (See previous chapters)
    2.  We have record of Paul claiming to be an apostle to the Ephesians.

           "Paul, an apostle of Yahshua by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus,"  Ephesians 1:1

    3.  We have no record of anyone else claiming to be an apostle to anyone anywhere, not even to the Ephesians.
    4.  Paul and his doctrine had troubles being accepted in Ephesus.

        "And he went into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the things of the kingdom of God. But when some were hardened and did not believe, but spoke evil of the way before the multitude..."   Acts 19:8,9

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Re: Mohammed and Aisha
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2009, 12:58:32 PM »
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it was comon between arabs to marry at early age not mohamed (BPUH) . what about you sexual bible god's word haha funny i am sure that didn't wrote this it was man's word .

about false prophet , jews were waiting for prophet after Messaih (PBUH) .


Are you suggesting that Muhammad did not marry Aisha at a young age? Because the hadith say otherwise.

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."


It was not common for arabs to marry at that young an age. The girl had to at least be a matured pubescent age. Aisha was nine. (actually 8 since arabs use a lunar calendar.) And even if this had been common practice, which it wasn't, a revolutionary does not reaffirm dispicable acts. He abolishes them. Aisha's father was even shocked at the request. 

Perhaps you suggest Muhammad didn't do this because you know in your heart it is wrong for a 54 year old man to have sexual feelings for a child. Please for a moment put yourself in the shoes of that 9 year old girl and try to imagine what would have been going through your head. Imagine yourself as a child and being unable to control what was happening to you.

The reason that Jews were waiting for a prophet after Yeshua was because they did not recognize Him as their Messiah.

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Now, look at what was said to the church that we know Paul had been involved in... Ephesus. Among the things that Yahshua commended the Ephesian church for doing right, is this quote:

    "I know your works, your labor, and your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars." Rev. 2:2

Yes. I have no doubts Yahshua was referring to Paul and his companions, and that his claim of apostleship, as well as his doctrine, were false!  Hang in there and consider all the facts with me for a minute. Here are four of them... with the silver bullet coming shortly after.

Your claims are off the mark right to start with. Since it was Paul that started the church at Ephesus. So the fact that Yeshua commended them speaks worlds of Paul's ministry. But I understand why you attack Paul. He is the one who outlined in one verse the most common sin that Muhammad would be guilty of.

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Cr 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
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1. Paul's doctrine on the foreknowledge of God is not only groundless (because he had to abuse Scripture to support it), it is blasphemous,
because it outright accuses God of unrighteousness. (See previous chapters)
2. We have record of Paul claiming to be an apostle to the Ephesians.

"Paul, an apostle of Yahshua by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus," Ephesians 1:1

3. We have no record of anyone else claiming to be an apostle to anyone anywhere, not even to the Ephesians.
4. Paul and his doctrine had troubles being accepted in Ephesus.

"And he went into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the things of the kingdom of God. But when some were hardened and did not believe, but spoke evil of the way before the multitude..." Acts 19:8,9

You are going to have to clarify Point 1. I have no idea what you are saying Paul was teaching. And you will have to show what scripture he was abusing to support this so-called doctrine. Paul's message had always consisted of what is in the Gospels. Jesus crucified for our sins, raised back to life and ascended into Heaven.

We don't have a record of anyone else claiming to be an Apostle? That's funny.

1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James [the son] of Zebedee, and John his brother;

Mat 10:3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James [the son] of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

Mat 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?

Act 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, [and] of the country of Cyprus,

Act 5:29 Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Then you try to prove your point by quoting this verse.
"And he went into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the things of the kingdom of God. But when some were hardened and did not believe, but spoke evil of the way before the multitude..." Acts 19:8,9

Paul was in the SYNAGOGUE. Which meant he was preaching and reasoning with Jews. Jews that had not accepted Jesus as their Messiah.
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Re: Mohammed and Aisha
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2009, 09:20:34 AM »
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Are you suggesting that Muhammad did not marry Aisha at a young age? Because the hadith say otherwise.

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."


It was not common for arabs to marry at that young an age. The girl had to at least be a matured pubescent age. Aisha was nine. (actually 8 since arabs use a lunar calendar.) And even if this had been common practice, which it wasn't, a revolutionary does not reaffirm dispicable acts. He abolishes them. Aisha's father was even shocked at the request.


no i am not , mohamed (PBUH) did but it was comon to arabs to marry at early age even if you didn't agree .
population in arab world in that time was low so mohamed (PBUH) to marry at early age so that we can grow so fast ..

by the way why you don't look to your bible :

1: 2 the first thing that the LORD spake unto the Lord said to Hosea Hosea Go, take yourself to a woman committed adultery and children committed adultery, because the ground had committed adultery committed adultery, leaving the Lord
1: 3 went and took Gomer daughter Dblaim conceived and bore him a son
2: 2 Impeach Impeach your mother because it is not my wife and I'm not her man in order to isolate her fornication her face and breasts Vsgaha of 2
: 3 so as not to Ajerdha slug and stopped Kiomuladtha and Make Kagafr Asirha a land and land and quantity of thirst
2: 4 and not have mercy for her children that they Uladzny

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Kings I: 1
: 1, aged King David made in the days and they were not warm clothing Idtrunh 1
: 2 and said to him to inspect his servants of our Lord the King on the virgin girl Feltagaf before the king and the incubator and not have to lie down Faihdhank Vidva lord king
1: 3 So they sought the beautiful girl in all the coasts of Israel and found Abicj Alhunmip brought her to the king

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David's wife to commit adultery neighbor travel Swiil II:
11: 2 and was at the time of the evening, that David has on his bed and walk on the roof of the king's house Frye on the surface a woman bathing, and women were very beautiful scenery 1
1: 3 And David sent and asking for one woman said, Is not this Bathsheba daughter of Uriah the Hittite woman Elieam
11: 4 And David sent messengers and took her to him Fadtdja entered with her and is cleansed of Tmtha then returned to her home

it's better for to study your bible well before studying the last testament .
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Re: Mohammed and Aisha
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2009, 09:56:29 AM »
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no i am not , mohamed (PBUH) did but it was comon to arabs to marry at early age even if you didn't agree .

Is that so. Then why did you say this?

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it was comon between arabs to marry at early age not mohamed (BPUH)

Besides I already pointed out that it was not customary for arabs to marry THAT young. The girl had to at least be at a physically mature pubescent age. Even Aisha's father was suprised at the request.

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by the way why you don't look to your bible :


You still seem to be laboring under the delusion that every act committed in the OT was sanctioned by God. Many of the things those people did were sinful and identified as such. The Jews recorded them faithfully and did not try to explain it away, cover it up or make excuses for it. As I said before only a child uses the "well he did it too logic" to justify his own behaviour.

Furthermore the verses you are quoting are jumbled and non-sensical. Try quoting them verbatim and then we can go from their.

Much more to the point there is NO excuse for having sex with a 9 year old girl. I don't care what the reasoning is. And the arab population must not have been suffering too badly since it spent the better part of a century fighting and killing one another. Besides Muhammad had plenty of other "wives" to procreate with. Aisha wasn't needed for that purpose to start with.

You still can't imagine yourself in that girls shoes as a child can you? Your devotion to Muhammad has blinded you to any scruples or morality.

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it's better for to study your bible well before studying the last testament .

I would suggest you do the same. Instead of trying to lift verses from here and there and taking them completely out of context.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2009, 10:02:36 AM »
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You still seem to be laboring under the delusion that every act committed in the OT was sanctioned by God. Many of the things those people did were sinful and identified as such. The Jews recorded them faithfully and did not try to explain it away, cover it up or make excuses for it. As I said before only a child uses the "well he did it too logic" to justify his own behaviour.

Furthermore the verses you are quoting are jumbled and non-sensical. Try quoting them verbatim and then we can go from their.

Much more to the point there is NO excuse for having sex with a 9 year old girl. I don't care what the reasoning is. And the arab population must not have been suffering too badly since it spent the better part of a century fighting and killing one another. Besides Muhammad had plenty of other "wives" to procreate with. Aisha wasn't needed for that purpose to start with.

You still can't imagine yourself in that girls shoes as a child can you? Your devotion to Muhammad has blinded you to any scruples or morality.


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Is that so. Then why did you say this?
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and how are to give us orders mohamed (PBUH) was porphet so he was human but what about you gods(he want virgin woma)
 . arabs used to marry at early age like or not . you can study arab history if you wan't



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I would suggest you do the same. Instead of trying to lift verses from here and there and taking them completely out of context.

No thanks  i am sure you read your bible many times and you know how full of sexual it's  , look to we have first than speak about islam .
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Re: Mohammed and Aisha
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2009, 11:36:01 AM »
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and how are to give us orders mohamed (PBUH) was porphet so he was human but what about you gods(he want virgin woma)
 . arabs used to marry at early age like or not . you can study arab history if you wan't

The Bible never claims that God wanted a virgin for sexual consumation. He used a virgin to manifest Himself into the world.
And I have studied arab history. Appearantly better than you have. That is why I know that while arabs did marry young, they did NOT marry that young. As I said even Aisha's father was shocked. More to the point a revolutionary does not reinforce crude practices. He abolishes them. Saying, "everyone else does it" is the logic of a child. It is not an excuse to continue disgusting behaviour.


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No thanks  i am sure you read your bible many times and you know how full of sexual it's  , look to we have first than speak about islam .

Well then don't be surprised when you don't understand the 2 or 3 verses you quote. And I never claimed the Bible didn't record sexual exploits. I said that just becaue it recorded them does not mean God sanctioned them. What is so hard to understand about that?
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Re: Mohammed and Aisha
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2010, 11:50:23 AM »
How do they explain Mohammed marrying Aisha at 6 years old, if not yet another exemption for their beloved "prophet"?
Along with the rest of the child brides in Islam even today?



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YUSUFALI: Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them; but consume it not wastefully, nor in haste against their growing up. If the guardian is well-off, Let him claim no remuneration, but if he is poor, let him have for himself what is just and reasonable. When ye release their property to them, take witnesses in their presence: But all-sufficient is Allah in taking account.
PICKTHAL: Prove orphans till they reach the marriageable age; then, if ye find them of sound judgment, deliver over unto them their fortune; and devour it not by squandering and in haste lest they should grow up Whoso (of the guardians) is rich, let him abstain generously (from taking of the property of orphans); and whoso is poor let him take thereof in reason (for his guardianship). And when ye deliver up their fortune unto orphans, have (the transaction) witnessed in their presence. Allah sufficeth as a Reckoner.
SHAKIR: And test the orphans until they attain puberty; then if you find in them maturity of intellect, make over to them their property, and do not consume it extravagantly and hastily, lest they attain to full age; and whoever is rich, let him abstain altogether, and whoever is poor, let him eat reasonably; then when you make over to them their property, call witnesses in their presence; and Allah is enough as a Reckoner.

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Re: Mohammed and Aisha
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2011, 11:56:31 PM »
"YUSUFALI: Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them; but consume it not wastefully, nor in haste against their growing up. If the guardian is well-off, Let him claim no remuneration, but if he is poor, let him have for himself what is just and reasonable. When ye release their property to them, take witnesses in their presence: But all-sufficient is Allah in taking account.
PICKTHAL: Prove orphans till they reach the marriageable age; then, if ye find them of sound judgment, deliver over unto them their fortune; and devour it not by squandering and in haste lest they should grow up Whoso (of the guardians) is rich, let him abstain generously (from taking of the property of orphans); and whoso is poor let him take thereof in reason (for his guardianship). And when ye deliver up their fortune unto orphans, have (the transaction) witnessed in their presence. Allah sufficeth as a Reckoner.
SHAKIR: And test the orphans until they attain puberty; then if you find in them maturity of intellect, make over to them their property, and do not consume it extravagantly and hastily, lest they attain to full age; and whoever is rich, let him abstain altogether, and whoever is poor, let him eat reasonably; then when you make over to them their property, call witnesses in their presence; and Allah is enough as a Reckoner. "




This verses has nothing to do with subject , secondally it does not mean what you thought it is . It mean to give them their money when they reach the age of marriges . So this verses has nothing to with Prohet mohamed PEACE BE UPON HIM marry Aisha Allah be pleased about her .
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Re: Mohammed and Aisha
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2011, 09:00:18 AM »
"YUSUFALI: Make trial of orphans ........

Unfortunately Aisha was not an orphan but a gift from her parents to Mohammed at the tender age of 6 years old.

........ until they reach the age of marriage;.......

Which is 6 years old in Aisha's case, and Mohammed brought her into his tent and was doing her, at at the ripe old age of 9.

Yet Mohammed's 7th century Islamic "tradition" creators inadvertently labeled an Arabian generation to be 66 years! http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1214.0

Apparently she was so traumatized by the ordeal that her hair fell out.

Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'

Pretty seemly stuff regarding a 52 year old lecher.
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Aisha

........ if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them; but consume it not wastefully, nor in haste against their growing up. If the guardian is well-off, Let him claim no remuneration, but if he is poor, let him have for himself what is just and reasonable. When ye release their property to them, take witnesses in their presence: But all-sufficient is Allah in taking account.
PICKTHAL: Prove orphans till they reach the marriageable age; then, if ye find them of sound judgment, deliver over unto them their fortune; and devour it not by squandering and in haste lest they should grow up Whoso (of the guardians) is rich, let him abstain generously (from taking of the property of orphans); and whoso is poor let him take thereof in reason (for his guardianship). And when ye deliver up their fortune unto orphans, have (the transaction) witnessed in their presence. Allah sufficeth as a Reckoner.
SHAKIR: And test the orphans until they attain puberty; then if you find in them maturity of intellect, make over to them their property, and do not consume it extravagantly and hastily, lest they attain to full age; and whoever is rich, let him abstain altogether, and whoever is poor, let him eat reasonably; then when you make over to them their property, call witnesses in their presence; and Allah is enough as a Reckoner. "




This verses has nothing to do with subject , secondally it does not mean what you thought it is . It mean to give them their money when they reach the age of marriges . So this verses has nothing to with Prohet mohamed PEACE BE UPON HIM marry Aisha Allah be pleased about her .

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Re: Mohammed and Aisha
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2011, 07:08:10 AM »
On beholderguard's YouTube channel a Muslim that goes by GhostofBattosai made the following claim when someone pointed out that Muhammad did Aisha when she was nine, actually claiming she was "19-20 when she married", but in fact she was 6 when she was married to Muhammad and nine when 53 year old Muhammad did her:

GhostofBattosai (1 hour ago)

@bizaro

You said it about himself (lone), he's a complete idiot & total wanker, so it make sense that all his spouts are all lies/conjectures implemented by Islamophobist. All the issues he bring are already debunked by many brothers and sisters... in fact, one of the video can be found at BG's left panel ('Proof that Aisha was 19-20 when she married')

Is that the truth according to Islam's books?

http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=aisha+nine&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

(6) Narrated aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.  (Book #58, Hadith #234)

(7) Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.  (Book #58, Hadith #236)

(8) Narrated 'aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).  (Book #62, Hadith #64)

(9) Narrated 'aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'  (Book #62, Hadith #65)

(10) Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).  (Book #62, Hadith #88)

Wow. Talk about stressing a 6 year old out! Aisha even lost all her hair. But that was likely lucky for her or Muhammad may have done her earlier than 9 years old - at least "thying" her - like these followers of Muhammad. And so popular at weddings today!
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=2589.0

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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2012, 07:52:50 AM »
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?s=04f72d98db9e04b0566c19df1d734a8d&p=1060703031&postcount=1568

"Khadija sent a message to the Muhammad inviting him to take her...She called her father to her house, PLIED HIM WITH WINE UNTIL HE WAS DRUNK, then she sent for Muhammad and his uncles. When they came in, her father married him to her.

WHEN HE RECOVERED FROM HIS INTOXICATION, he said, 'What is this meat, this perfume, and this garment.' She replied, 'You have married me to Muhammad bin Abdallah.' 'I HAVE NOT DONE SO.' he said. Tabari VI:49


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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2013, 07:42:50 AM »
Bukhari

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'  (Book #62, Hadith #17)

And of 9 year old Aisha:

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).  (Book #6, Hadith #298)